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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jul 11, 2008 7:17:55 GMT -5
Emperor: 1980 Davros: 1975 Just saying. Though this performance did have a bit more of it than some others. I loved the ribcage thing. That's just a nice extra touch there. Yeah, I do that all the time. I'll see some old movie and be like "that's just like da dada dada!" and then realize that it's probably the other way around. |
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Post by Queen E on Jul 12, 2008 19:02:22 GMT -5
Ah ha! I knew that the repeating thing in Midnight was significant!
If I'm not mistaken, I pretty much called at least 2 doctors. Go me!
Yes, there were significant plot holes, and what happened to Donna was horrific, and yet...I guess it's kind of how I am with shows I really like: Buffy, Angel, Firefly, Doctor Who, Life on Mars. I'm probably far more forgiving and less objective than I should be. Like Buffy etc, there hasn't been an episode of Doctor Who I've seen yet where I either haven't liked at least a few things about the episode, or where the episode hasn't been retroactively improved by the arc itself.
Also, the Daleks speaking German? Brilliant! (And scary.)
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Post by Onjel on Jul 12, 2008 21:44:00 GMT -5
Ah ha! I knew that the repeating thing in Midnight was significant! If I'm not mistaken, I pretty much called at least 2 doctors. Go me! Yes, there were significant plot holes, and what happened to Donna was horrific, and yet...I guess it's kind of how I am with shows I really like: Buffy, Angel, Firefly, Doctor Who, Life on Mars. I'm probably far more forgiving and less objective than I should be. Like Buffy etc, there hasn't been an episode of Doctor Who I've seen yet where I either haven't liked at least a few things about the episode, or where the episode hasn't been retroactively improved by the arc itself. Also, the Daleks speaking German? Brilliant! (And scary.) You did call two doctors. ;D I also loved the Daleks speaking German. Cracked me right up. And Martha? Rocked the house with her multilingualism.  I was pretty objective about this one and had to agree with Be on a lot of it, though I enjoyed the ep immensely. I didn't see the foreshadowing in "Midnight" until a rewatch last night, where The Doctor talks to the aid about the lost moon of Poosh. ;D I totally missed that the first time, but then, I wouldn't have thought it significant on the first watching. |
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Post by Queen E on Jul 12, 2008 21:52:08 GMT -5
Ah ha! I knew that the repeating thing in Midnight was significant! If I'm not mistaken, I pretty much called at least 2 doctors. Go me! Yes, there were significant plot holes, and what happened to Donna was horrific, and yet...I guess it's kind of how I am with shows I really like: Buffy, Angel, Firefly, Doctor Who, Life on Mars. I'm probably far more forgiving and less objective than I should be. Like Buffy etc, there hasn't been an episode of Doctor Who I've seen yet where I either haven't liked at least a few things about the episode, or where the episode hasn't been retroactively improved by the arc itself. Also, the Daleks speaking German? Brilliant! (And scary.) You did call two doctors. ;D I also loved the Daleks speaking German. Cracked me right up. And Martha? Rocked the house with her multilingualism. I was pretty objective about this one and had to agree with Be on a lot of it, though I enjoyed the ep immensely. I didn't see the foreshadowing in "Midnight" until a rewatch last night, where The Doctor talks to the aid about the lost moon of Poosh. ;D I totally missed that the first time, but then, I wouldn't have thought it significant on the first watching. Oh, definitely. And the whole "absorbing/becoming" thing that happened in that episode totally foreshadowed the "Doctor Donna" thing. Of course, I then started thinking about Human Ten and Rose and wondering if somehow there was going to be Timelord hybrids...especially in light of The (Original Recipe) Doctor saying that neither Jack nor Rose had faced "real" Daleks before; only hybrids, not to mention the whole Jenny thing. I wouldn't be surprised if that would be revisited later on... I read Be's comments and had a thought about Rose chasing after the Tardis even with her own version of Ten, and it occurred to me that it wasn't just about The Doctor himself, but the worlds he opened up to her. She has the Doctor (sort of) now, but she can't ever travel again. |
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Post by Onjel on Jul 14, 2008 19:54:00 GMT -5
You did call two doctors. ;D I also loved the Daleks speaking German. Cracked me right up. And Martha? Rocked the house with her multilingualism. I was pretty objective about this one and had to agree with Be on a lot of it, though I enjoyed the ep immensely. I didn't see the foreshadowing in "Midnight" until a rewatch last night, where The Doctor talks to the aid about the lost moon of Poosh. ;D I totally missed that the first time, but then, I wouldn't have thought it significant on the first watching. Oh, definitely. And the whole "absorbing/becoming" thing that happened in that episode totally foreshadowed the "Doctor Donna" thing. Of course, I then started thinking about Human Ten and Rose and wondering if somehow there was going to be Timelord hybrids...especially in light of The (Original Recipe) Doctor saying that neither Jack nor Rose had faced "real" Daleks before; only hybrids, not to mention the whole Jenny thing. I wouldn't be surprised if that would be revisited later on... I read Be's comments and had a thought about Rose chasing after the Tardis even with her own version of Ten, and it occurred to me that it wasn't just about The Doctor himself, but the worlds he opened up to her. She has the Doctor (sort of) now, but she can't ever travel again. So, do you think she was in love more with The Doctor or the adventure being with him provided? Or, maybe a combination of the two? Donna begged The Doctor not to send her back because she was going to be with him traveling the universe her whole life. Maybe all his companions are drawn to the adventure and also to the "aloneness" of him. |
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Post by Queen E on Jul 14, 2008 22:39:29 GMT -5
Oh, definitely. And the whole "absorbing/becoming" thing that happened in that episode totally foreshadowed the "Doctor Donna" thing. Of course, I then started thinking about Human Ten and Rose and wondering if somehow there was going to be Timelord hybrids...especially in light of The (Original Recipe) Doctor saying that neither Jack nor Rose had faced "real" Daleks before; only hybrids, not to mention the whole Jenny thing. I wouldn't be surprised if that would be revisited later on... I read Be's comments and had a thought about Rose chasing after the Tardis even with her own version of Ten, and it occurred to me that it wasn't just about The Doctor himself, but the worlds he opened up to her. She has the Doctor (sort of) now, but she can't ever travel again. So, do you think she was in love more with The Doctor or the adventure being with him provided? Or, maybe a combination of the two? Donna begged The Doctor not to send her back because she was going to be with him traveling the universe her whole life. Maybe all his companions are drawn to the adventure and also to the "aloneness" of him. I don't think it's possible to separate the two, anymore than you can separate the Doctor and the Tardis (eg, Davros asking Ten if he felt the pain of its death). Jacob (on TWoP) actually has some excellent thoughts on that; ie, the idea of touching "divinity" etc and then having to come back down... |
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Post by Onjel on Aug 1, 2008 20:02:18 GMT -5
No one is posting? Fascinating. |
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Post by Lola m on Aug 1, 2008 20:41:48 GMT -5
Alrighty! Who's the new Doctor, then? **settles in for surprises galore, surely** Um. What the?? Not regenerate!? Hand? Mickey!!! Rose!!!! Frozen in time bullets at Torchwood?? Bled it off to the hand? But . . . . No, really. You can hug me. Time lock that Tosh set up. Tosh!!!!!! Tosh saved them! **yays** TARDIS stopped?! **not yays** Surrendering and Martha is scaring me with key talk and . . . eeeeep!  Daleks in German! "Exterminieren!! Exterminieren!"  |
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Post by Lola m on Aug 1, 2008 20:54:02 GMT -5
I'm going to end up using all the exclamation points possible, aren't I?
Dimensions collapsing and everything going away and Donna's the key, somehow.
Daleks can get in and . . . heartbeats?
Yes, yes, they're all brilliant and special and shiny and now they're marching out to go boom?
Donna in the TARDIS and what's happening to her, anyway? Zoom zoom zoom into the core and noooo! Melting TARDIS!
Donna is taking the regeneration energy? Another Doctor!?! Double Doctors!!! This is totally cool awesome!
There goes Jack, getting exterminated again. But, is this a clever way to get them to pay no attention to him? Yes, yes it is. ;D
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Post by Sue on Aug 1, 2008 21:04:32 GMT -5
The world is saved.
The Daleks are destroyed.
The planets are back where they belong.
Rose gets (a) Doctor.
The Doctor gets Rose.
It's a happy happy ending all round.
And it's the saddest thing I've ever seen.
Man, that was some fascinating, convoluted, tumultous, heart-rending writing.
"Everybody I've got has got someone else."
So, who am I sadder for----The Doctor or Donna?
*a bit numb*
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Post by Lola m on Aug 1, 2008 21:04:49 GMT -5
Heeeee! Time lords like worms, lop a bit off, grow another one. Oooh, that means I can grow my own Doctor, then? Nice!  Oy!! He's human, he's Donna! This is too completly funny. ;D ;D ;D What is Martha gonna do in the creepy German castley place?  All the people moving into place. And the Doctor doing his patented mind games to get Davros to spill some info. And now it's all destiny and prophesies and the wacky wiggly crazy Dalek. Hmmmmmm. Reveal his soul? End of everything? |
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Post by Lola m on Aug 1, 2008 21:13:14 GMT -5
Whew! Mickey and Sarah Jane and mum all saved and everyone else all just gone. So, they use the planets to make everything just, go away? Why go away to nothing - do they also want to become nothing? All dimensions and everything? Will they go away too?
No - the Daleks will be sheltered. They want to be the only things left in the whole of everything because then they'll truly be superior, yes? Because they are all that's left. But can you be superior if there is nothing to be inferior to you?
Jack! Expected unexpected Jack! But he's not naked. **pouts briefly**
Warp star. O-kay. Heck, I'll take all the deus ex machinas I can get.
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Post by Lola m on Aug 1, 2008 21:43:05 GMT -5
Oh. They'll destroy the Earth. And if they do, then they mess up the Dalek weapon. Heeee! And the other threat is blow up the crucible. But the Doctor is not happy about either of these. And Davros and crazy wiggler were expecting this. and seem all fine and dandy with the threats. That can't be good. "Behold your children of time, transformed into murderers." Well, they're sort of in a "do this or absolutely everything gets obliterated situation", so I don't think your "see how they've all turned out so badly" argument really holds up, Davros.  All the people dead 'in his name', but of course that's not really true. They pretty much all are dead to save others, from things that would have happened otherwise and that the Doctor helped from being worse, so your argument loses again, Davros. Oopsie! They're all transmatted in. Which actually makes me feel better, because that means Davros was expecting to foil all their plans, not use their plans as part of his plan. Which means the Other!Doctor and Donna have a chance to do their plan and win! OK, reality bomb? Just sounds too cute, actually. This Davros is truly crazy, man! TARDIS!! Heee! And I love Jack's "brilliant" and the First!Doctor's look of "I don't know what the hell is going on here". ;D Well, crap. This is looking not good, isn't it? Come on Doctor(s), pull something amazing out of your ass! Donna!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Donna!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Being all Doctory!!! So the transfer thingee when both ways!!! Oh that is just sweet. ;D Half Doctor, half Donna. The DoctorDonna. Heee! Skinny boys in suits and spinning roomba-Daleks. I may just very well die from squeefulness. ;D ;D ;D Excellent! Everyone pushing the Daleks around like inconveniently placed kiddie toys and Donna giving a very Doctorly "ha!". ;D All the planets go back home. Cool! Oh, that is just lovely. Davros himself provided the needed spark to make the DoctorDonna complete. There's 3 of you. Three Doctors. Yeah, I know exactly what you're thinking, Jack and I am so right there with you. Super cool! Crazy wiggly Dalek Khan was the one who helped it all happen. I thought his giggly nature was more wonderfully demented than just the nature of the supposed Dalek plot called for. ;D Oh! Dalek Khan kept saying he'd seen the "end of everything". And that everything meant the Daleks, yes? Overload them all. Fulfilling the prophesy. And the regular Doctor would do it, but this half human/Donna one, does. You are the destroyer of worlds. Hmmm. Well, actually it was the other one, but I see your general point. And "one will still die". |
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Post by Lola m on Aug 1, 2008 21:59:27 GMT -5
TARDIS is going to bring the Earth back? OK. K-9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! **death from happy squeefulness, complete** I mean, nevermind that the whole towing thing is, you know, not possible. Because bringing them to a different spot without losing atmosphere and killing everyone was not possible either, so two not possibles cancel each other out. Happy happy TARDIS hugggles. **is very happy** Also? Donna hauling Sarah Jane away from Jack so she could have at him? Most excellent!! (And not just because she's part Doctor. OK, that's a lot of it, but still. ) Nice touch, with the news crawl and so on. Sweet! Martha and Jack head off, and so maybe she joins Torchwood? **thinks happy Torchwood orgy thoughts** Ooh, and maybe Mickey too? **more happy squeaking** Back at the other dimension? Oh! They have to deal with the second Doctor. Genocidal-angry Doctor, like he used to be. So, Rose will help make him better. And he's part human. He's got only one life, so they can be together. She gets to keep a "sort-of" Doctor. Which is sort of OK for her, I'm sure. But, he really is the Doctor she loves, or at least part of him. And it's the only way she'd ever get to be with him, so . . . A neat way to solve it. Because the real Doctor is never gonna be anthing other than what he is, and that won't work for her. |
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Post by Lola m on Aug 1, 2008 22:07:58 GMT -5
And now he's gonna have to do something about DoctorDonna too, eh? 'Cuz her brain can't keep all the Time Lordy stuff, can it? Crap. Is she gonna die? The dalek guy said that one of them died. Not die? Make her go back . . . like, take away all that happened to her? Or . . . ? Yes. Had to take all that stuff out. OK, so she doesn't "die", but the Donna that traveled with the Doctor died. She still is the most important person in the universe. And mom should tell her so. Indeed!! So, very very sad, and yet we can't be totally sad, can we? Because what is the end result? She lives a human life. Like, you know, all of us. And if that is some kind of horrible fate, well, that says something bad about us, yeah? Human life, for a human. Not really bad at all. It's only the comparison that makes is not as good and, to be totally crude, she doesn't have the comparison anymore. Plus? She did really good stuff, saving people and worlds and stuff. But of so very sad for the Doctor, all of it, eh? And now he's got no companion. |
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