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Post by RAKSHA on Jun 8, 2003 16:56:48 GMT -5
Oh, gods; these pizza photos are making me SO hungry. I LOVE pizza! I could eat three small pizzas or two big ones all by myself. Pizza is one of the major food groups as far as I'm concerned...But I'm on the Atkins diet, so no pizza for me, sob-sob-howl.
Gail
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Post by raenstorm on Jun 8, 2003 17:01:54 GMT -5
I looked - did it just change position? And was there always an embarrassed emoticon or is that new? Cause I could have used that one a lot...and probably still will! The embarrassed one has been there... I'm not sure about the kiss one. I don't think it has moved but it very well may have. I don't think it had a red" smile before, just the red "*" for the kiss. However, I could be wrong ;D
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Post by Becky H on Jun 8, 2003 17:04:13 GMT -5
Oh, gods; these pizza photos are making me SO hungry. I LOVE pizza! I could eat three small pizzas or two big ones all by myself. Pizza is one of the major food groups as far as I'm concerned...But I'm on the Atkins diet, so no pizza for me, sob-sob-howl.
Gail Can't you just pick the sausage and pepperoni and Canadian bacon off the top?
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Post by Kerrie on Jun 8, 2003 17:04:34 GMT -5
It must have just stopped working (resting perhaps?). I knew it was the same one because of the label and in the same position as always - next to the crying emoticon.
We really need a smiling embarrassed emoticon, but maybe the rolling eyes emoticon covers that (sorta - at a stretch).
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jun 8, 2003 17:07:41 GMT -5
[ . In other words, does the fact of being a vampire make an individual automatically evil? If yes, why so? If no why not? [/font][/color][/quote] I expect you'd have to define evil first, Nan... I looked up evil - 4 definitions (as a noun) in my online dictionary 1. The quality of being morally bad or wrong; wickedness. 2. That which causes harm, misfortune, or destruction: 3. An evil force, power, or personification. 4. Something that is a cause or source of suffering, injury, or destruction By 3 of those definitions, I'd say a vampire is evil. A vamp (unchipped, unsouled) causes harm and destruction, is the personification of such evil, and is a source of suffering, injury or destruction. The first definition implies choice - does a vampire/demon have a choice? Are we talking Christian demons or Joss demons? By Christian standards a demon made a choice for evil. By Joss standards, not so much. A wolf, on the other hand, by any standard, has no choice. It also gets a really bad rep. I think they are like any other animal of prey - they act through instinct, and ever since I saw 'Never Cry Wolf' I have a whole different idea about them...
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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on Jun 8, 2003 17:08:17 GMT -5
Welcome to Part Six. Today is the first "official" day of operation of the SSS Message Board although unofficially it has been thoroughly enjoyed already. Our moderators, Rae and Dave, and ESPECIALLY our resident Technopagan, Vlad, deserve a big round of applause for designing, organizing, and presenting us with our wonderful new home. The S'cubies are very grateful for all your hard work and dedication. Vlad is the driving force behind this web site. It is due to his vision that we have the Soulful Spike Society web site and this Message Board. Vlad, thank you so very much. Alexandra A Yea to Vlad and also a couple of Bravos with a standing ovation on the side. Hurrah we're officially open for business, pass the champagne if you will.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jun 8, 2003 17:10:16 GMT -5
*waves her noisemaker in Patti's direction* Ooooh, a twizzler. Can I have one? Purty please? I've got a whole pack! I'll go get them!
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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on Jun 8, 2003 17:11:26 GMT -5
Just read Diane's counterpoint to the ESPN article - good job, Diane! The author clearly had not been watching Buffy regularly. When he wrote about Buffy forgetting her telekinetic powers, I said, "Huh? When did Buffy ever have telekinetic powers and messed with the space/time frame?" Then I realized he was probably talking about "Primeval" and this only confirmed that he is not a regular watcher of Buffy. Diane, you were very calm and matter-of-fact in your response to the author. If it had been me, I'm afraid I would have reverted to "Nuh-uh. That's not right. You're stupid" or some other lame junior-high mentality. I very much enjoyed your response - I wonder if they post it somewhere? Have you heard back from the author yet? Lee Thank you, Lee, my good friend and debating partner. Thank you all for your kind support and encouragement. It was a little difficult not to let my emtions run away with me because the stupid article made me so angry.
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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on Jun 8, 2003 17:12:48 GMT -5
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Post by Kerrie on Jun 8, 2003 17:18:12 GMT -5
I'd just read about the fifth book being released so perhaps that's why my mind jumped to Harry Potter. Becky, are you a Harry Potter fan? I am too! I'm getting the the fifth one when it comes out, but can't read it until after the semester ends (it is too long for me to just try to squeeze it in). I have been looking forward to it coming out so much. Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and BtVS are my three favourite types of stories and I have only recently realised what they all have in common (apart from the fantasy aspect, of course): they are all about one person who is chosen to fight evil with the help of their friends (some powerful, some not). Friendship, loyalty and responsibility are always great themes and I can then work out why I love Jane Austen's Emma (the wild-card of the mix of my favourite stories). PS On one of the Harry Potter web-sites that I visited a long time ago, there was speculation that Snape might be a vampire. What do you reckon? Snape a vampire? I think some explanation might be required regarding how he could be seen in the foe-glass and how come he is outside during the day and why he is protecting Harry, but other than that . . . (or alright the hypothesis is just lame!)
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Post by Kerrie on Jun 8, 2003 17:22:31 GMT -5
Hi Patti. Where does your side quote (the one about nudity) come from?
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Post by Rob on Jun 8, 2003 17:24:07 GMT -5
I only got one slice because Vlad poured AB negative all over it before I could get another one. Then Dave got into my Crown Royal. Had to go order some Chinese and hit the liquor store.
Vlad, I looked away to type this message for one minute and you still over here trying to mess me up. That Damn well better be Sweet & Sour sauce on my chicken!!
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Post by Laura on Jun 8, 2003 17:24:07 GMT -5
Hi Everybody!
My contribution to the party (hope it fits in this box) is a reprint of an article in the Arts & Leisure section of today's Sunday New York Times:June 8, 2003 Sick of 'Buffy' Cultists? You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet By EMILY NUSSBAUM
Where do we go from here? That's the question the Buffy ensemble asked in one of the finest episodes of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," the musical episode, a highlight of the much-disputed Season 6 — or at least, much-disputed by the type of person who knows lyrics from an episode of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," which season they're from, and who sang them.
Because let's face it: there are fans, and there are fans. And for seven glorious seasons, Buffy has consistently attracted the second type: your scholarly theoryhead, your web geek uploading fan fiction, your cocktail party evangelist. Just because our show has been staked through the heart — the series finale was shown a month ago, with all the requisite media mourning and top-10 lists — doesn't mean that our fanhood has ended with it. At last, we can start living in the past.
For neophytes, Buffy's death is even better news. Over the years, the series' internal mythology became so dense it was a challenge to watch without a native guide. For those who never got "Buffy," the show's demise is a chance to get in on the ground floor.
If it's sad to have one's favorite show go off the air, the secret truth is, it's also a relief. A television cult can't really start in earnest until the show has ended. (See: "Freaks and Geeks." No, really, see it.) For all its pleasures, appointment TV is also a lot of pressure. There's the anxiety of raised expectations, the friendship-threatening debates over the proper plot arc, the misfiring VCR's, the leaked plot spoilers. Now everything is spoiled, and we can settle in and enjoy — treat the story as one big, satisfying narrative. Few shows reward rewatching as much as "Buffy," a series which might appear campy at first sight, but over time reveals as many layers as Tony Soprano's Oedipal complex.
There are two ways to wallow in a dead show: DVD's and reruns. Syndicated "Buffy" reruns appear on FX, and they're certainly a good stop-gap — an after-work treat at 6 and 7 p.m. There's a delirious rush to these reruns: you can scarf up an entire season in two weeks or so. You can witness alterna-slayer Faith pop into town on Monday, become morally ambiguous on Thursday, evil the next Tuesday and redeemed in a month or two. But there's a downside, too: editors far more evil than Faith have trimmed several minutes out of each episode, to make space for more commercials. Not only can these trims throw off the rhythms of the show — splitting up scenes meant as mini-climaxes for each episode's four acts — but the best jokes often go missing. This week's FX schedule features "Fool for Love" (6 p.m Tuesday), a standout episode from Season 5 featuring the platinum-haired vampire Spike. But its eerie centerpiece, a sequence in which the show's four most evil vampires — Spike, Drusilla, Angel and Darla — stride together in slow-mo through the carnage of the Boxer Rebellion, has disappeared.
That's what DVD's are for. In fact, people have been known to purchase DVD players for Buffy's sake alone. And next week, when the Season 4 DVD is released, those people will be four-sevenths of the way to the complete set. (We'll also have some intriguing extras, like a commentary by the show's creator, Joss Whedon, on the dream imagery of the poetic season finale "Restless." ) Using such tools, viewers can delve into "Buffy" the way we dig into a novel like "Great Expectations" (which was also originally distributed in installments) — without the cliffhangers, the larger themes rise to the surface
Take "Fool for Love." Out of context, the episode simply reveals the origins of Spike, the strutting vampire who began as Buffy's enemy and then fell in love with her. But the episode also provides both foreshadowing and vivid retroactive continuity — recasting Spike's earliest appearances on the show. In Season 2, Spike strode on the scene as punk rock incarnate, all leather jacket and Cockney accent. "Fool For Love" reveals that as a human, Spike was a shy Victorian nerd, a wanna-be poet rejected by an upper-class lady he worshiped from afar. His tough guy accent is a working-class pose he adopted after he become a vampire. For all his Fonzie bravado, Spike is revealed to be as much of a wounded outsider as the rest of the characters.
Like the villain Warren, like Buffy's best friend Xander, Spike's riddled with angry nerd damage. His cocky banter conceals his anxieties about female rejection. Even his leather jacket turns out to have been a kind of costume, ripped from a slayer he killed. Confined to a wheelchair in Season 2, implanted with a brain chip that prevents him from biting in Season 4, unrequitedly in love in Season 5, as the seasons pass, Spike's aggression is revealed as overcompensation for his fears that he's less than a man. Often this metaphor is made explicit. In "The Initiative" (Season 4), when Spike finds himself unable to bite Buffy's friend Willow, the incident is presented with morbid cheekiness: first as a terrifying date rape, then as a metaphor for sexual failure. ("Doesn't this happen to all vampires?") By the time Season 7's "Lies My Parents Told Me" rolls around, the episode's Freudian revelations make perfect sense
Now that the show is over, fans can explore such connections with a sense of perversely satisfying closure. In "Fool for Love," Buffy is looking for a way to avoid her death, to keep her expiration mark a long way off, "like a Cheeto." But there's more than one way to achieve eternal life. www.nytimes.com/2003/06/08/arts/television/08NUSS.htmlI'm still catching up otherwise, but I didn't see this article posted here yet. I thought I'd put it out there for the benefit of those who can't access the NYT website.Laura
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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on Jun 8, 2003 17:25:47 GMT -5
If you say that a vampire is no more intrinsically evil than a wolf; then you signify that a vampire is just another animal, incapable of making moral judgments and distinguishing right from wrong. A wolf will kill sheep because the wolf needs to eat; while a vampire has the brain to acquire pig's blood or raid the human blood bank. If a wolf started roaming the suburbs and killing people and/or turning them into wolves, the local humans would be justified in hunting down the wolf and caging or killing it. Wolves are one of my favorite species, btw. But I don't equate them with vampires or vice versa. Vampires, especially new vampires, seem like human children without parents or conscience. Spike was a vampire who grew up, even before he won his soul back. Gail I'm not sure where I stand on this one, but asking vampires to behave according to human rules just because the rules are human seems as silly as it does futile. Do we, as humans, behave as cows would like us to, when cows are part of our food chain? I question whether the morality we require of vampires offers any reason for them to comply. Even as they kill us, don't we kill them just as readily? Where does that place us in their morality? We can't even eat them.
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Post by RAKSHA on Jun 8, 2003 17:26:48 GMT -5
Can't you just pick the sausage and pepperoni and Canadian bacon off the top? No, because it might have been cured in sugar or something like that...hamburger yes, pizza toppings no, at least not in the 'Induction' phase.
Besides, I'd want to eat the WHOLE ENTIRE SLICE!!!
Gail
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