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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jun 22, 2003 21:15:36 GMT -5
Please... quickly... others add their votes! I don't want to go there! ARRRGGGGHHHH! It's bad enough they made me write (what passes in puritan quarters) for smut! Uh...let's not get TOO carried away Kimi. I mean...smut can be a fine thing.
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Post by Kerrie on Jun 22, 2003 21:17:31 GMT -5
No, there is nothing wrong with you. Though my feeling is "to each his own" when it comes to sexuality and what consenting adults enjoy, there is nothing wrong with you for having no attraction to this. I have zero attraction to it myself . . . not so much because it doesn't match my own sexuality, but because unless it's Willow, it doesn't match up with the characters as we've seen them characterized on the show. I like my Spike to seem like the Spike I know and love. Same with any of the characters. Any pairings (be it same sex or not) - in fact, any behavior - that seem out of character just don't interest me. Previously I wrote that I agreed with Spring and added my concern that well-written fanfic that is not true to the characters is confusing because I can imagine the events so well I sometimes think they really happened. As an aside. I screwed up and modified my last post past recognition instead of creating a new one.
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Post by RAKSHA on Jun 22, 2003 21:19:18 GMT -5
What happened? How did I get left behind? And how did they become so bored/disillusioned? I banged my head against the keyboard when I saw the newest. Magpie, *My* Magpie, writing Spike and Xander slash! Oh, dear, oh, my! Even Colleen wrote a Dru/Harmony ficlet and posted to my fic list last evening! And I have *no* desire to join them... Dear Abbey, There's something wrong with me, isn't there? Slashless in Nashville Well, I don't mind slash as long as it makes sense. Spike and Xander, noooo. Angelus and Spike, maybe; though I think it would be against Spike's will, and thus coercion if not rape. And gods know what goes on what passes for Dru's mind, but I think Harmony would say "Ewww". There's nothing wrong with you! I like my Spike straight up, thanx!
Gail
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Post by karalee on Jun 22, 2003 21:34:15 GMT -5
Hee Hee. I peeked at claudia_yvr's profile (cus I'm nosy). Claudia_yvr if you are lurking I love your avatar!
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Post by Sue on Jun 22, 2003 21:39:59 GMT -5
Last night during her exclusive, in-depth, (8 minute) interview with Katie Couric, J.K. Rowling said something about the "dark" nature of the Potter books. I.e.: people die, people suffer, both physically and emotionally.
In fact, I wish I had written it down, but she said something about once she had the background in place and the characters fleshed out the next step is to say, what can I do to my characters which will cause them the most pain--because that is what makes the story interesting.
Sound like anyone we know?
Likewise, I may have mentioned (once or many times) that I am entranced, enthralled and addicted by a new series of books by Lois McMasters Bujold. I recently read an afterword in one of her books (she doesn't believe in forewords because they detain the reader from diving into the story. And she said very nearly the exact same thing: create a character, get the readers to care about the character, then ask yourself: What can I do to cause this character maximum pain (physically and psychologically)? (And boy, does she--she could give Joss lessons!)
Nan burns off Spike's hands, Rob beats Xander intocatatonia, (and I'm getting to the other stories soon I hope). I guess there is no "happy ending" unless unhappiness comes first.
By the way, each book I read gets better and better. Treat yourself to "The Warrior's Apprentice" and "The Vor Game". (Then you can go back and read the earlier ones and follow on to the later.) You will not be disappointed!!!!!!!!
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kimi
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Post by kimi on Jun 22, 2003 21:41:18 GMT -5
Uh...let's not get TOO carried away Kimi. I mean...smut can be a fine thing. Okay, now I'm just laughing. Just plain laughing...
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Post by Sue on Jun 22, 2003 21:43:36 GMT -5
Probably should get to bed. 82 year old, mild dementia, incontinent Dad arrived for a two week visit tonight and I'm gonna be pretty busy for a while.
I found "Life Serial" to be an incredibly painful episode because Buffy had to deal with real-life, mundane problems. To me that is much more horrible than vampires and demons.
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kimi
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Post by kimi on Jun 22, 2003 21:44:13 GMT -5
Previously I wrote that I agreed with Spring and added my concern that well-written fanfic that is not true to the characters is confusing because I can imagine the events so well I sometimes think they really happened. As an aside. I screwed up and modified my last post past recognition instead of creating a new one. I think this is why I don't do it. I just don't have canon to back it up, at least not visual canon, although there are wafting bits of subtext if you want to find it.
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Post by kimi on Jun 22, 2003 21:46:22 GMT -5
Probably should get to bed. 82 year old, mild dementia, incontinent Dad arrived for a two week visit tonight and I'm gonna be pretty busy for a while. I found "Life Serial" to be an incredibly painful episode because Buffy had to deal with real-life, mundane problems. To me that is much more horrible than vampires and demons. Sue, I am in total agreement. And I hope the visit turns out to be relaxed and as enjoyable as possible...
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jun 22, 2003 21:56:32 GMT -5
No, there is nothing wrong with you. Though my feeling is "to each his own" when it comes to sexuality and what consenting adults enjoy, there is nothing wrong with you for having no attraction to this. I have zero attraction to it myself . . . not so much because it doesn't match my own sexuality, but because unless it's Willow, it doesn't match up with the characters as we've seen them characterized on the show. I like my Spike to seem like the Spike I know and love. Same with any of the characters. Any pairings (be it same sex or not) - in fact, any behavior - that seem out of character just don't interest me. Yep, yep, hand raised in agreement...exceptwhen I get around to writing MY fanfic (yeah, right) I'm going to have Willow go 'hey! What was THAT about' and go find Oz in Timbuktu or where ever... ;D
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Post by Sue on Jun 22, 2003 22:01:13 GMT -5
Yep, yep, hand raised in agreement...exceptwhen I get around to writing MY fanfic (yeah, right) I'm going to have Willow go 'hey! What was THAT about' and go find Oz in Timbuktu or where ever... ;D I wish somebody would write that! Kennedy was no Tara, but Tara was no Oz!
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Post by RAKSHA on Jun 22, 2003 22:06:06 GMT -5
Yep, yep, hand raised in agreement...exceptwhen I get around to writing MY fanfic (yeah, right) I'm going to have Willow go 'hey! What was THAT about' and go find Oz in Timbuktu or where ever... ;D I would loved Oz & Willow as a couple. I'm not really into gay pairings; but Willow & Tara made it work; they did have chemistry as characters; and were both such fine actresses...I personally think Willow is bisexual; she fell in love with Oz, then Tara on the rebound. I don't quite understand why, of all the characters in the Buffyverse, Willow & Kennedy had to become a couple, when Xander & Anya, who started to come back together, were parted by her death; and Spike & Buffy by his death and his strange assertion that Buffy didn't love him.
TEXTGail
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Jun 22, 2003 22:06:47 GMT -5
What happened? How did I get left behind? And how did they become so bored/disillusioned? I banged my head against the keyboard when I saw the newest. Magpie, *My* Magpie, writing Spike and Xander slash! Oh, dear, oh, my! Even Colleen wrote a Dru/Harmony ficlet and posted to my fic list last evening! And I have *no* desire to join them... Dear Abbey, There's something wrong with me, isn't there? Slashless in Nashville Kimi, it's different here out in the real world. I mention (in EME) just the vaguest possibility that Spike may have at some unspecified distant time gotten extremely friendly with a likewise unspecified male, and certain valued readers bail. This based on what I understand and am convinced of in terms of vampires' use of gender-indiscriminate power sex (c.f. essay on Vampire Sex on the S3 website). No present time, no body parts or plumbing, no inclination to go out and do likewise ever again. They still bail. It's different from Oz out here, truly.... [/color]
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Post by karalee on Jun 22, 2003 22:15:28 GMT -5
What happened? How did I get left behind? And how did they become so bored/disillusioned? I banged my head against the keyboard when I saw the newest. Magpie, *My* Magpie, writing Spike and Xander slash! Oh, dear, oh, my! Even Colleen wrote a Dru/Harmony ficlet and posted to my fic list last evening! And I have *no* desire to join them... Dear Abbey, There's something wrong with me, isn't there? Slashless in Nashville Hmm...my thoughts on slash. When I started reading fanfic I read strictly B/S. Then I stumbled across Lovingkindess by Herself. I cringed when I realized what it was about (S/omc) but I kept reading because it promised some Spuffy. It was written so well it is now one of my all time favorite stories. If I start reading a story (slash or non-slash) and the plot becomes utterly ridiculous or the writing sucks I won't read it. But if its a good read and well-written I'll read it no matter who the couple is. Except clem/dawn, now that's just wrong ;D Just one more thing. I also liked Willow and Oz better than Willow and Tara.
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Jun 22, 2003 22:20:20 GMT -5
Hmm...my thoughts on slash. When I started reading fanfic I read strictly B/S. Then I stumbled across Lovingkindess by Herself. I cringed when I realized what it was about (S/omc) but I kept reading because it promised some Spuffy. It was written so well it is now one of my all time favorite stories. If I start reading a story (slash or non-slash) and the plot becomes utterly ridiculous or the writing sucks I won't read it. But if its a good read and well-written I'll read it no matter who the couple is. Except clem/dawn, now that's just wrong ;D Karalee, I agree with you about Lovingkindness by Herself. I just read some nice things Herself said about Old Blood and went back and read her novelette, which is excellently done. It's about the 12th time I've read it. The pacing and dynamic and characterization are all fine, so I can forgive it the plumbing, which I tend to dislike no matter the gender pairings. In other words, graphic sex to me is a turn-off no matter who's involved. Sex, to me, doesn't qualify as a spectator sport. [/color]
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