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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Jul 19, 2003 18:31:35 GMT -5
Gail, my heartfelt condolences to you and your family.
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Post by ldelrossi on Jul 19, 2003 18:33:38 GMT -5
Betsy - I must again praise your techno-talent. I love all the avatars. When you get tired of using this Angel one, can I use it? I have a few quotes you might like. You'd have to cut them down to fit in the animated ones:
These are all Buffy/Angel quotes. "and the part at the end of the night where we say goodbye - it's getting harder." "I like seeing you." "I don't want to do this." "Passion rules us all" might be appropriate to Buffy/Angel/Spike avatars. "ecstasy of grief" or other lines from Angel's Passion voiceover would also be powerful. "I felt your heart beat." "Not to go all school yard on you, but you hit me first." (Angel to Buffy)
Fred is describing how love works to Angel. "But it's also heartache and disappointment." Maybe use Love, Heartache and Disappointment in one with Buffy/Angel/Spike.
You are certainly doing brilliantly on your own, but you did ask for ideas so I'm sharing.
This is a quote from I WILL REMEMBER YOU which may help with the discussion of Angel's choice to change back into a vampire. The woman oracle chastizes her brother when he calls Angel a lower being. "This one is willing to sacrifice every drop of human happiness and love he has ever known for another. He is not a lower being."
Angel was far more vicious as Angelus than Spike was as a vampire- at least that we have seen. Angel has more horrible memories to torment him. Thus he feels obligated to atone by sacrificing what he wants. And after the terrible beating he took from Mora while human, he is terrified that Buffy will become distracted trying to protect him and will become a victim of some evil being and he will be responsible for her death.
One final comment - I'm Irish so I can say this and I mean absolutely no offence. Angel is Irish. There is a heavy dose of guilt, gloom and angst in much of Irish literature/culture. I'm sure Joss was aware of some of the authors who were like that - Joyce and Dylan Thomas come immediately to mind. ANGELA'S ASHES was a great book, but it certainly was not happy. Angel's personality fits well into that persona.
Lori
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Jul 19, 2003 18:35:18 GMT -5
The moving avatars are cool. BUT, do they cause a scrolling problem for anyone else? Anytime I try to scroll down a page with a lot of posts using moving avatars my page moves very slowly, and jerkily. I've noticed that too, also that some posts only display partially, with the same lines or bits of lines repeated over and over. It's as if the display froze halfway. I have to reload the page several times before I can read all of the post. I just figured it was Netscape, which seems to be picky about what it displays. Anyone else noticing strange occurrences?
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Post by ldelrossi on Jul 19, 2003 18:37:48 GMT -5
I add my sincere condolences to you and your family.
Lori
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Post by ldelrossi on Jul 19, 2003 18:39:27 GMT -5
I have IE. I am not having any difficulty with the avatars/posts.
Lori
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Post by ldelrossi on Jul 19, 2003 18:43:02 GMT -5
Another avatar thought: Angel/Darla -"It was perfect despair."
Remember that scene in the gem of Amara episode where Spike is making fun of Angel from the rooftop. I don't have any exact quote, but the entire speech was hysterical. It might be fun to have a Spike/Angel avatar with something from that.
Lori
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Post by Betsy on Jul 19, 2003 18:51:12 GMT -5
Another avatar thought: Angel/Darla -"It was perfect despair." Remember that scene in the gem of Amara episode where Spike is making fun of Angel from the rooftop. I don't have any exact quote, but the entire speech was hysterical. It might be fun to have a Spike/Angel avatar with something from that. Lori Thanks Lori . . That's one of my favorites . . . It's from Angel Season 1 and the episode is In the Dark . . I was so cracking up during that montage. I had it for a whle in my profile.
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Post by Betsy on Jul 19, 2003 18:52:16 GMT -5
Betsy - I must again praise your techno-talent. I love all the avatars. When you get tired of using this Angel one, can I use it? I have a few quotes you might like. You'd have to cut them down to fit in the animated ones: These are all Buffy/Angel quotes. "and the part at the end of the night where we say goodbye - it's getting harder." "I like seeing you." "I don't want to do this." "Passion rules us all" might be appropriate to Buffy/Angel/Spike avatars. "ecstasy of grief" or other lines from Angel's Passion voiceover would also be powerful. "I felt your heart beat." "Not to go all school yard on you, but you hit me first." (Angel to Buffy) Fred is describing how love works to Angel. "But it's also heartache and disappointment." Maybe use Love, Heartache and Disappointment in one with Buffy/Angel/Spike. You are certainly doing brilliantly on your own, but you did ask for ideas so I'm sharing. This is a quote from I WILL REMEMBER YOU which may help with the discussion of Angel's choice to change back into a vampire. The woman oracle chastizes her brother when he calls Angel a lower being. "This one is willing to sacrifice every drop of human happiness and love he has ever known for another. He is not a lower being." Angel was far more vicious as Angelus than Spike was as a vampire- at least that we have seen. Angel has more horrible memories to torment him. Thus he feels obligated to atone by sacrificing what he wants. And after the terrible beating he took from Mora while human, he is terrified that Buffy will become distracted trying to protect him and will become a victim of some evil being and he will be responsible for her death. One final comment - I'm Irish so I can say this and I mean absolutely no offence. Angel is Irish. There is a heavy dose of guilt, gloom and angst in much of Irish literature/culture. I'm sure Joss was aware of some of the authors who were like that - Joyce and Dylan Thomas come immediately to mind. ANGELA'S ASHES was a great book, but it certainly was not happy. Angel's personality fits well into that persona. Lori Ye,s those are some good ones. Will have to write them down so I can remember them.
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Post by Betsy on Jul 19, 2003 18:53:05 GMT -5
I've noticed that too, also that some posts only display partially, with the same lines or bits of lines repeated over and over. It's as if the display froze halfway. I have to reload the page several times before I can read all of the post. I just figured it was Netscape, which seems to be picky about what it displays. Anyone else noticing strange occurrences? I haven't noticed anything . . . btw, I use IE and am on DLS with XP2000 . . . .
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Post by Betsy on Jul 19, 2003 19:10:57 GMT -5
I sent you a PM.
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Post by RAKSHA on Jul 19, 2003 19:22:54 GMT -5
Gail, condolences on the death of your dad. That you had many years of his company and affection may eventually balance out the manner of his going and the difficulty of seeing it coming, all that time braced against it and helpless to change it. It's terribly hard to lose a parent at any age. I lost my dad when he was relatively young, in his 40's, and have been subtly lopsided ever since. Being steady on your own feet as an adult may help you cope with the loss. At least I can hope that for you. I hope the infusions of frivolity on this board can serve as a break sometimes for you. Come when you can, share what you want. We all wish you most well. It must have been awful for you to have lost your dad when he was that young; you must have been quite young yourself. My father lost his father when my dad was in his 20's and never stopped missing him; but there was a warning of sorts; my grandfather was apparently told shortly after he married my grandmother that he had a bad heart and wouldn't live very long, he lived another 25-odd years. I've been fortunate to have had my father live as long as he has. He had a good, and very interesting life, including six years living in Paris prior to WWII, three months spent fighting against Franco in the Spanish Civil War, a brief fling with radical student protest (in Paris, as a member of Les Jeunes Royalistes) for a rather conservative organization, service in the U.S. army during WWII in intelligence, a doctorate in mathematics, work on nuclear reactors, lots of horseback riding, climbing the French Alps, travel all over the world. Sorry to be such a downer tonight. Having this board to come to is very therapeutic; I'd much rather be reading about the Jossverse than trying to think about funeral arrangements (which we'll think about tomorrow). Probably a graveside service; my dad was rather contemptuous of any organized religion and used to fall asleep during temple services... I changed the avatar because that picture of the hand-holding and flickering soul-flame from CHOSEN felt much more appropriate for me right now than smirking Spikey, cute as he is.... Gail
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Post by LadyDi on Jul 19, 2003 19:36:01 GMT -5
I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my discussion of my father's illness in the last few days.
My father died around 4 a.m. today (July 19), 15 minutes after my mother and I left his bedside in the I.C.U. We had been there for several hours, were tired, and thought that death was still hours away. It wouldn't have mattered much to my father whether we were there or not, he was sedated, very relaxed, and I don't think he knew we were there. But I had wanted to be there when the time came for him to go. We spent the night watching the blood pressure drop bit by bit, and death creep up on him. He was on a ventilator. Death was caused by a combination of pneumonia, malnutrition (thanx to his not eating as much as he should have, since he wasn't happy with the food at the rehab facililties where he spent the last five months), bacterial infection in the blood, lung cancer (which had not yet advanced to the point where he had symptoms), dehydration, slight loss of kidney function, and a mild heart attack. It was just too much for a tired 90-year-old to battle.
Today is my parents' 50th wedding anniversary.
This end was not unexpected; hence the lack of sudden grief. We are tired and numb. We knew he didn't have several years left, but hoped and expected to bring him home for at least a few months, so he could be at home and have good food rather than bland institutional food and care by strangers, however well-intentioned...
Gail Deepest sympathies on your loss.
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Post by Betsy on Jul 19, 2003 20:10:12 GMT -5
Betsy - I must again praise your techno-talent. I love all the avatars. When you get tired of using this Angel one, can I use it? Thank you very mucy . . . glad you like them. You can use it whenever you want . . . in fact I send one just for you. I most definitely agree with you here. Angelus was vicious, but on top of that . . . he loved playing psychological games on his victims . . . mean look what he did to Dru . . . Spike was bad and could be vicious . . . but I think he was much more toned down and I think he liked the fight more than the kill. He was a scrapper and not much of a planner . . . or rather way to impatient to wait for his plans to come of fruitition. I also think that Angel tries so hard to keep Angelus separate and pretty much separate him from the demon. But you'll notice with Spike he was like yea, I was bad . . . did horrible things, but I can't change teh past. . . all I can do is go forward from here and do my best to make up for it. Angel just wants to supress what was done while Angelus. I think if he would accept his demon more, he wouldn't be such a brood boy . . . but I sure volunteer to help him out of his broodiness as I LOVE MY BROOD BOY.
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Post by Becky H on Jul 19, 2003 20:42:02 GMT -5
I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my discussion of my father's illness in the last few days.
My father died around 4 a.m. today (July 19), 15 minutes after my mother and I left his bedside in the I.C.U. We had been there for several hours, were tired, and thought that death was still hours away. It wouldn't have mattered much to my father whether we were there or not, he was sedated, very relaxed, and I don't think he knew we were there. But I had wanted to be there when the time came for him to go. We spent the night watching the blood pressure drop bit by bit, and death creep up on him. He was on a ventilator. Death was caused by a combination of pneumonia, malnutrition (thanx to his not eating as much as he should have, since he wasn't happy with the food at the rehab facililties where he spent the last five months), bacterial infection in the blood, lung cancer (which had not yet advanced to the point where he had symptoms), dehydration, slight loss of kidney function, and a mild heart attack. It was just too much for a tired 90-year-old to battle.
Today is my parents' 50th wedding anniversary.
This end was not unexpected; hence the lack of sudden grief. We are tired and numb. We knew he didn't have several years left, but hoped and expected to bring him home for at least a few months, so he could be at home and have good food rather than bland institutional food and care by strangers, however well-intentioned...
Gail Dear Gail, I am so sorry to hear your news. Even knowing that the end is near doesn't make it any easier when it does come - my mother died five years ago at the age of 57 after a long illness and it still seemed sudden. Don't worry about whether or not your father knew you were there; remember that you were there with your mother. You're in my thoughts tonight - Becky
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Post by Becky H on Jul 19, 2003 20:45:00 GMT -5
I've noticed that too, also that some posts only display partially, with the same lines or bits of lines repeated over and over. It's as if the display froze halfway. I have to reload the page several times before I can read all of the post. I just figured it was Netscape, which seems to be picky about what it displays. Anyone else noticing strange occurrences? I don't have any problem with the signature avatars. I did have trouble with the page a day or so ago with all of the avatars repeated in peoples' quotes of the original post. Each subsequent message loaded more and more slowly (kind of what we've seen with people quoting pictures over and over). On the info side, I'm running IE 6.0 on Windows XP with a broadband connection.
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