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Post by Shan on Nov 8, 2003 17:57:40 GMT -5
I remember that, after I'd re-watched in the proper sequence, and remember thinking "Ah, yes."
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Nov 8, 2003 17:58:55 GMT -5
Have tried both Netscape and IE. Have tried logging in several times in a row. Have tried lowering my security and privacy settings as low as they will go. No go. That's odd that it won't let you in. At risk of insulting your intelligence, you've checked to ensure that you are typing your login and your password exactly, to include any spaces or lack thereof, and ensuring the caps-lock is set accordingly? I do know the password/login software on this board is very, very persnickety.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 8, 2003 18:11:19 GMT -5
Have you tried giving the cats a fluffy blanket of their own. I put one on top of my comforter and both my cats stayed on it. The cat I have now, Dulce, wants to drink from running water. She always comes running when I run water into the bath and stays to watch me take a bath. The cat I used to have, Larla, wouldn't drink from a bowl at all. We always felt bad when we had to leave her for a day or so, 'cause we know she'd be thirsty. We did leave water for her, but the bowl was always at the same level when we returned and the first thing she'd do--after "cussing us out for being gone" was jump in the bathtub for a drink. Now there's an idea - for about 5 bucks I can buy them their own fleece throw, and then they won't want to be under the covers. Hmm. . . .
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Post by Rachael on Nov 8, 2003 18:13:22 GMT -5
Me too. My theory on dogs is that they love pretty much everyone who gives them attention--there are exceptions of course, cats on the other hand, are very picky about whom they show affection to. The cat I used to have was terrified of everyone except my mom & me. I do like dogs, especially big dogs, like German Shepherds and Dobermans, but I certainly prefer cats. None of my recent cats care about catnip. I've read it's a genetic thing, either it affects them or not. Yup, the catnip thing is genetic, and I am also of the not caring for the obsequiousness of dogs type. Never been much of a dog person.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 8, 2003 18:21:45 GMT -5
Just finished watching Joss' commentary on "Restless". Quite interesting, especially all the symbolism and eroticism in the dream sequences, much of which I had missed. One thing that really struck me was Joss kept saying that the dream sequence with Tara and Buffy in the bedroom was the first mention of Dawn. A lot is made about Faith's "Little Miss Muffet" reference in "Graduation Day" as also being about Dawn, but according to Joss in this commentary, "Restless" was the first reference to Dawn -- "Be back before Dawn". Huh. You're sure he doesn't mean the first direct reference? 'Cause in "This Year's Girl", there's this whole getting ready for little sis thing in the first dream sequence. (I always thought the "Little Miss Muffet counting down from 730" referred to the fact that two years (730 days) later, Buffy was going to die.)
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Post by Nickim on Nov 8, 2003 18:36:57 GMT -5
Huh. You're sure he doesn't mean the first direct reference? 'Cause in "This Year's Girl", there's this whole getting ready for little sis thing in the first dream sequence. (I always thought the "Little Miss Muffet counting down from 730" referred to the fact that two years (730 days) later, Buffy was going to die.) Yeah, he's got to mean the first reference to her name.
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Nov 8, 2003 18:44:57 GMT -5
Huh. You're sure he doesn't mean the first direct reference? 'Cause in "This Year's Girl", there's this whole getting ready for little sis thing in the first dream sequence. (I always thought the "Little Miss Muffet counting down from 730" referred to the fact that two years (730 days) later, Buffy was going to die.) I know, I considered that he may have meant first reference by name. Buty somehow, he didn't make it sound like that. He made it sound as if it was the first reference ever. It was very surreal. And yeah, there was the Ms. Muffet reference in Graduation Day, and the Little Sis reference in This Year's Girl. So it was a bizarre comment. Fodder for discussion.
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Post by Shan on Nov 8, 2003 19:15:00 GMT -5
I know, I considered that he may have meant first reference by name. Buty somehow, he didn't make it sound like that. He made it sound as if it was the first reference ever. It was very surreal. And yeah, there was the Ms. Muffet reference in Graduation Day, and the Little Sis reference in This Year's Girl. So it was a bizarre comment. Fodder for discussion. Hm. I always thought Faith's "Little Sis" comments were about her and Buffy's relationship. And I was never sure which one that was supposed to be. Maybe that's because it was about Dawn.
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Nov 8, 2003 19:25:23 GMT -5
Hm. I always thought Faith's "Little Sis" comments were about her and Buffy's relationship. And I was never sure which one that was supposed to be. Maybe that's because it was about Dawn. Makes you wonder in light of Joss' comments whether or not the other comments (Miss Muffet and Lil Sis) really were about Dawn. It seems obvious that they were, but I wonder if it could have meant something else. In the seasonal overview, Joss also makes a reference to Faith being Buffy's little sister, as in, the newer slayer. Wonder if "Lil Sis" could have been Faith, not Dawn.
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Nov 8, 2003 19:30:29 GMT -5
I've been watching Buffy on DVD most of today, switched to network television, and saw that BtVS was on UPN. The episode description -- "Angel", in which Buffy first discovers Angel is a vampire, and we learn about Angel's curse for the first time. So I tune in, to see Spike getting a happy from an invisible girl. And I'm thinking, I don't recall Spike in "Angel", or any other season 1 episode -- must be some lost footage re-inserted.
Then AtS comes on. Episode description, "Offspring", in which Darla shows up at the Hyperion pregneant. So I tune in, and Angel is having a conversation with Doyle, just before Cordelia comes in and announces she's off on a date with a really rich guy who I have a sneaky suspicion will impregnate her with demon seed. Apparently more lost footage being re-insterted, since I thought Doyle died long before Darla got pregneant.
Things that make you go "Hmmmm...."
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Post by Rachael on Nov 8, 2003 19:35:49 GMT -5
I've been watching Buffy on DVD most of today, switched to network television, and saw that BtVS was on UPN. The episode description -- "Angel", in which Buffy first discovers Angel is a vampire, and we learn about Angel's curse for the first time. So I tune in, to see Spike getting a happy from an invisible girl. And I'm thinking, I don't recall Spike in "Angel", or any other season 1 episode -- must be some lost footage re-inserted. Then AtS comes on. Episode description, "Offspring", in which Darla shows up at the Hyperion pregneant. So I tune in, and Angel is having a conversation with Doyle, just before Cordelia comes in and announces she's off on a date with a really rich guy who I have a sneaky suspicion will impregnate her with demon seed. Apparently more lost footage being re-insterted, since I thought Doyle died long before Darla got pregneant. Things that make you go "Hmmmm...." I'll go you one better. This morning FX listed that they were showing BtVS ("Showtime") - I tune in to find Kelly explaining to Brandon that she didn't either buy any cocaine from her ex-boyfriend. Ahem.
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Nov 8, 2003 19:41:28 GMT -5
I'll go you one better. This morning FX listed that they were showing BtVS ("Showtime") - I tune in to find Kelly explaining to Brandon that she didn't either buy any cocaine from her ex-boyfriend. Ahem. Lots of restored footage all over the place. Hope they include all of this in the DVD releases. Well, they didn't insert the Spike scenes back in "Angel" on the BtVS S1 DVD. Sort of dissapointing.
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Post by RAKSHA on Nov 8, 2003 19:49:05 GMT -5
I pasted this from the last part because it seems to be an ongoing debate. I know a lot of you won't agree with me, but I've decided that Spike & Angel do deserve to feel guilty for the deaths they caused before getting their souls. I base this decision primarily on who their first victims were--not counting the guy in the graveyard when Angelus was raised. Angelus' first true victims were the people who made him unhappy as a human, his family--particularly his father--and the people in the village where he lived. Spike's first siring was his own mother. The choosing of these victims was very deliberate. Angelus acted on the anger and hatred he felt towards those persons, Spike by the love he felt and the desire to save his mother from a slow, lingering death from TB. You can be sure they continued to kill anyone who annoyed them or got in their way, whether they were hungry or not. Remember Spike in School Hard--"I'm a veal man, myself and you're too old to eat, but not to kill". No one can reasonably argue that Spike killed that man because he needed his blood to survive. The analogy of vampires as wolves or other predators doesn't really fit either. Animals don't kill for fun, vampires do. They were both motivated by feelings they had BEFORE they were turned. They can't say later that the demon TOTALLY controlled their actions. They did things they wanted to do BEFORE they were demons--Angel wanted to kill his father and the people in the village who looked down on him and Spike wanted to save his mother. That's why I feel they deserve to feel guilt for their actions AS demons. Very provocative and well-thought out post!
I both agree and disagree with you. I heartily agree that Angel and Spike and other soulless vampires should not be excused from their crimes by comparison of their habits with animal predation. They DID kill when they didn't need to for survival, and did so frequently. I don't include Drusilla; because her competence/free will is debatable.
But I disagree that our Souled Vamps <deserve> to feel guilt for their pre-soul actions. The absence of the soul functioned, in my opinion, as a lack of conscience. I don't know what I would do if I had no moral compass, no conscience; but I doubt I would behave ethically, at least not as frequently as I hope I do now. There was no hint that Liam harbored any homicidal tendancies towards his mother or sister, yet Angelus dispatched themm along with the rest of the village.
Angel feels guilt over his actions as a soulless vampire because he has a human soul, a rather sensitive human soul, and he can't help feeling pain and guilt for the horrific crimes he committed, since he has the memories of doing them. Spike, who is less introspective, has felt guilt in the past, but seems to be resolved to concentrate on being a new and better person instead of pondering his past sins.
I can't remember if Darla, when human and souled, expressed any regret over her crimes as a vicious vampire.
I think that souled vampires must take responsibility for their crimes, but I'm not sure it should be said that they must feel guilty or deserve to feel guilty for those crimes. It does prove that their returned souls are in good working order if they feel at least some regret... [glow=red,2,300]GAIL [/glow]
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Post by RAKSHA on Nov 8, 2003 19:52:38 GMT -5
Lots of restored footage all over the place. Hope they include all of this in the DVD releases. Well, they didn't insert the Spike scenes back in "Angel" on the BtVS S1 DVD. Sort of dissapointing. I don't understand. Were scenes from the actual TV series omitted from the DVD of the same series? Confused now.
GAIL
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Post by RAKSHA on Nov 8, 2003 19:54:16 GMT -5
Don't forget to vote in the Photo of the Week contest if you've not yet done so. This week it's a very, very tight race with only one vote seperating several top contenders (including my own). If you don't vote and your favorite pic doesn't win, you'll have only yourself to blame. Like your new avatar, Dave; though I'll miss that great picture of Wes...
GAIL
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