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Post by Sandy - lparish on Nov 21, 2003 14:14:45 GMT -5
If I'm thinking of the same lightening bolt you're thinking about, that was Gatorade that had it. That was it!
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Post by RAKSHA on Nov 21, 2003 14:15:06 GMT -5
Spring came up with a fascinating bit of speculative history of William's never-seen father in Part 72.
I thought I'd run my version, which I'd run in my own mental theatre for months:
I concur that William never knew his father, or at least has minimal memory of the man.
I imagine that Anne was the daughter of a noble, but not very wealthy family that had several daughters. Anne was quiet, pretty, sensitive, fond of poetry and had a rose-colored view of the world.
During the social season, Anne met and danced with a dashing young rake named Randolph Giles. He was in his late 20's, unmarried, handsome, charming, full of mischief and had a great body too. He was also a Watcher. And yes, he was a great-great-great-whatever uncle of OUR Giles. Anyway, he charmed, then seduced Anne, then had to leave on an urgent Watcher mission to the continent with a close friend, an older Watcher named William. Several weeks later, Anne realized that she was pregnant. Randolph returned and was reunited with her. He had liked her, and vowed to do the right thing; they set a date to get married. But Randolph was fatally injured in a fight against vampires before he could marry Anne. Dying, Randolph made his friend William promise to take care of Anne and the unborn child.
William was older, a wealthy banker with a mercantile rather than aristocratic background. He had never married. He liked Anne and thought that Randolph had taken advantage of her. He married Anne, and the child was born 7 months later. William and Anne came to love each other, if not passionately, then as close companions. He was a good father when he was home. When little William was two or three years old, vampires invaded their home and killed his father. Anne watched, hidden and terrified. Other Watchers came and drove the attackers away.
Anne was horrified, and tried to deny what she had seen. She raised little William in a soft, gentle atmosphere devoid of anything suggestive of violence, emphasizing beauty and art. She could have remarried, but was afraid to risk her heart again. And we know the rest of the story.
That's my version. William was his father's son AND his mother's, but had never had the benefit of a father's love and craved it, and probably still does. [glow=red,2,300]GAIL [/glow]
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 21, 2003 14:20:47 GMT -5
Spring came up with a fascinating bit of speculative history of William's never-seen father in Part 72.
I thought I'd run my version, which I'd run in my own mental theatre for months:
I concur that William never knew his father, or at least has minimal memory of the man.
I imagine that Anne was the daughter of a noble, but not very wealthy family that had several daughters. Anne was quiet, pretty, sensitive, fond of poetry and had a rose-colored view of the world.
During the social season, Anne met and danced with a dashing young rake named Randolph Giles. He was in his late 20's, unmarried, handsome, charming, full of mischief and had a great body too. He was also a Watcher. And yes, he was a great-great-great-whatever uncle of OUR Giles. Anyway, he charmed, then seduced Anne, then had to leave on an urgent Watcher mission to the continent with a close friend, an older Watcher named William. Several weeks later, Anne realized that she was pregnant. Randolph returned and was reunited with her. He had liked her, and vowed to do the right thing; they set a date to get married. But Randolph was fatally injured in a fight against vampires before he could marry Anne. Dying, Randolph made his friend William promise to take care of Anne and the unborn child.
William was older, a wealthy banker with a mercantile rather than aristocratic background. He had never married. He liked Anne and thought that Randolph had taken advantage of her. He married Anne, and the child was born 7 months later. William and Anne came to love each other, if not passionately, then as close companions. He was a good father when he was home. When little William was two or three years old, vampires invaded their home and killed his father. Anne watched, hidden and terrified. Other Watchers came and drove the attackers away.
Anne was horrified, and tried to deny what she had seen. She raised little William in a soft, gentle atmosphere devoid of anything suggestive of violence, emphasizing beauty and art. She could have remarried, but was afraid to risk her heart again. And we know the rest of the story.
That's my version. William was his father's son AND his mother's, but had never had the benefit of a father's love and craved it, and probably still does. [glow=red,2,300]GAIL [/glow] OK: Alliteration: +0 pts (sorry, Gail) Imagination: +90 pts, especially for the banker. Realism: -20 for the unlikely name of Randy Giles. Who ever heard of such a thing? Sex & violence: +25 for the terrifying vampire attack! TOTAL SCORE: 95 Also - I really like the continuity on William's father having a great body in all versions. It's good to know we all agree on the important points.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 21, 2003 14:20:58 GMT -5
When it's phones, we can blame Eve and Lindsey. When it's the Internet, though, that's Moloch's domain. "... Press 1 for goats ...." Harmony said the computers were going crazy too. "Trust no one"
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Nov 21, 2003 14:21:20 GMT -5
Spring came up with a fascinating bit of speculative history of William's never-seen father in Part 72.
I thought I'd run my version, which I'd run in my own mental theatre for months:
I concur that William never knew his father, or at least has minimal memory of the man.
I imagine that Anne was the daughter of a noble, but not very wealthy family that had several daughters. Anne was quiet, pretty, sensitive, fond of poetry and had a rose-colored view of the world.
During the social season, Anne met and danced with a dashing young rake named Randolph Giles. He was in his late 20's, unmarried, handsome, charming, full of mischief and had a great body too. He was also a Watcher. And yes, he was a great-great-great-whatever uncle of OUR Giles. Anyway, he charmed, then seduced Anne, then had to leave on an urgent Watcher mission to the continent with a close friend, an older Watcher named William. Several weeks later, Anne realized that she was pregnant. Randolph returned and was reunited with her. He had liked her, and vowed to do the right thing; they set a date to get married. But Randolph was fatally injured in a fight against vampires before he could marry Anne. Dying, Randolph made his friend William promise to take care of Anne and the unborn child.
William was older, a wealthy banker with a mercantile rather than aristocratic background. He had never married. He liked Anne and thought that Randolph had taken advantage of her. He married Anne, and the child was born 7 months later. William and Anne came to love each other, if not passionately, then as close companions. He was a good father when he was home. When little William was two or three years old, vampires invaded their home and killed his father. Anne watched, hidden and terrified. Other Watchers came and drove the attackers away.
Anne was horrified, and tried to deny what she had seen. She raised little William in a soft, gentle atmosphere devoid of anything suggestive of violence, emphasizing beauty and art. She could have remarried, but was afraid to risk her heart again. And we know the rest of the story.
That's my version. William was his father's son AND his mother's, but had never had the benefit of a father's love and craved it, and probably still does. [glow=red,2,300]GAIL [/glow] Here's my take on Spike's father .... Spike's father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low-grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. His mother was a 15 year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. Spike's father would womanize, he would drink, he would make outrageous claims, like he invented the question mark. Sometimes, he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy - the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Spike's childhood was typical: summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring, they'd make meat helmets. When Spike was insolent, he was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds. Pretty standard, really. Of course, if all this were true, then Oz would be Spike's son, created by his minions using his DNA and a test tube. And Spike would be spending most of his time on BtVS and AtS just trying to get some frickin' sharks with lazer beams on their heads, but having to settle for mutated, ill-tempered sea bass. Actually, in many ways, Spike has had to settle for the sea bass when he really wanted a shark with a lazer beam.
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Nov 21, 2003 14:22:03 GMT -5
Harmony said the computers were going crazy too. "Trust no one" The computers, yes. But the Internet?
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Post by deborah on Nov 21, 2003 14:24:21 GMT -5
Hey all. Wasn't around yesterday 'cause I got all caught up in commenting about 5.8 on Cousinjean's LJ and I am not a fast commentator. The LJ entry in question, in case anyone's interested, is here: www.livejournal.com/users/cousinjean/149814.html#cutid1Count me in as one who was very disturbed by Spike's crude reference to Buffy. (Yes, I know Angel did it first but Angel's remark about Spike getting his soul back just to get into a girl's pants didn't refer to how Angel felt about Buffy. It was intended to demean Spike's feelings for Buffy). But after my third viewing of the episode last night I had a change of heart and understood Spike's crudity about Buffy as intended to take Angel's accusation that Buffy never loved Spike and turn it against him to inflict the maximum damage. I like the way Dori put it best when she said: "They were both using Buffy as a weapon, there, stabbing at the place they knew would cause the most pain, and using the crude language was part of the cut. And they both did it." Then later in the day Barb Cummings posted her "Ten Unpopular Fannish Opinions" on her LJ (cracked me up!) and I got busy there. The relevant LJ entry is here, in case anyone is interested: www.livejournal.com/users/rahirah/35177.html#cutid1So I never really got into the board yesterday. I'm up to page 10 of 42 on Thread 71 so I still have quite a ways to go before I can catch up with everyone's thoughts on this amazing episode. I don't know how far I can get at work today either but I'll read what I can. But here's a couple misc thoughts I didn't mention anywhere yesterday - aplogies if they have already been covered. Re: Shanshu - I think this was mentioned twice in discussion of the Shanshu Prophesies; maybe it was Eve the first time. I know for sure that Spike specifically brought it up later. The vampire with a soul will play a major role in the apocolypse but nobody knows what side he'll fight on. Do these mentions forshadow that Angel and Spike will be on opposing sides of the next apocolypse, heading their way by this Spring, I'll wager. Seems as though Eve has turned into exposition lady. But as the PA or what ever she is for the SP, (and unbenownst to AI &/or the SP, in league with (Beer Bad) Lindsey (Pretty), they trust what she tells them, why? I love how Gunn totally has her number. He was awesome in that scene where he had her by the neck. Rob - I think that with your quip: "Lindsey, you're covered in sexy runes" you have surpassed any of the many witty and wonderful things you have ever said, and that's saying a lot. I fall at your feet in obescience and homage to your squishy, frontal lobes. That was AWESOME! Joss et.al have GOT to hear that one. deborah
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Post by RAKSHA on Nov 21, 2003 14:28:22 GMT -5
OK: Alliteration: +0 pts (sorry, Gail) Imagination: +90 pts, especially for the banker. Realism: -20 for the unlikely name of Randy Giles. Who ever heard of such a thing? Sex & violence: +25 for the terrifying vampire attack! TOTAL SCORE: 95 Also - I really like the continuity on William's father have a great body in all versions. It's good to know we all agree on the important points. Thanx, Spring! Anne was obviously a woman of taste and consideration; she wouldn't have lost her heart to just any plump chump. Physically, William is probably his father's son, just as Spike is, in many ways, Angelus' son. GAIL
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 21, 2003 14:28:55 GMT -5
Here's my take on Spike's father .... Spike's father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low-grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. His mother was a 15 year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. Spike's father would womanize, he would drink, he would make outrageous claims, like he invented the question mark. Sometimes, he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy - the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Spike's childhood was typical: summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring, they'd make meat helmets. When Spike was insolent, he was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds. Pretty standard, really. Of course, if all this were true, then Oz would be Spike's son, created by his minions using his DNA and a test tube. And Spike would be spending most of his time on BtVS and AtS just trying to get some frickin' sharks with lazer beams on their heads, but having to settle for mutated, ill-tempered sea bass. Actually, in many ways, Spike has had to settle for the sea bass when he really wanted a shark with a lazer beam. Alliteration: +0 pts Imagination: -150 for the copying, +150 for the Oz as Spike's son speculation = 0 Realism: -50 for not realizing that an Italian must surely have invented the question mark. Sex & violence: +145 for prostitutes, drinking, violent beatings, sharks and ill tempered bass. TOTAL SCORE: 95
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 21, 2003 14:30:55 GMT -5
Spring came up with a fascinating bit of speculative history of William's never-seen father in Part 72.
I thought I'd run my version, which I'd run in my own mental theatre for months:
I concur that William never knew his father, or at least has minimal memory of the man.
I imagine that Anne was the daughter of a noble, but not very wealthy family that had several daughters. Anne was quiet, pretty, sensitive, fond of poetry and had a rose-colored view of the world.
During the social season, Anne met and danced with a dashing young rake named Randolph Giles. He was in his late 20's, unmarried, handsome, charming, full of mischief and had a great body too. He was also a Watcher. And yes, he was a great-great-great-whatever uncle of OUR Giles. Anyway, he charmed, then seduced Anne, then had to leave on an urgent Watcher mission to the continent with a close friend, an older Watcher named William. Several weeks later, Anne realized that she was pregnant. Randolph returned and was reunited with her. He had liked her, and vowed to do the right thing; they set a date to get married. But Randolph was fatally injured in a fight against vampires before he could marry Anne. Dying, Randolph made his friend William promise to take care of Anne and the unborn child.
William was older, a wealthy banker with a mercantile rather than aristocratic background. He had never married. He liked Anne and thought that Randolph had taken advantage of her. He married Anne, and the child was born 7 months later. William and Anne came to love each other, if not passionately, then as close companions. He was a good father when he was home. When little William was two or three years old, vampires invaded their home and killed his father. Anne watched, hidden and terrified. Other Watchers came and drove the attackers away.
Anne was horrified, and tried to deny what she had seen. She raised little William in a soft, gentle atmosphere devoid of anything suggestive of violence, emphasizing beauty and art. She could have remarried, but was afraid to risk her heart again. And we know the rest of the story.
That's my version. William was his father's son AND his mother's, but had never had the benefit of a father's love and craved it, and probably still does. [glow=red,2,300]GAIL [/glow] Randy Giles? GAIL!!!!! RANDY GILES!!!!! Squawk! Snort! Falls on the floor laughing... So glad Kitty is outside blowing bubbles... Bloody brilliant! Loving the other versions of William as well, BTW, please keep up the great work!
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 21, 2003 14:32:26 GMT -5
The computers, yes. But the Internet? Phone or DSL lines - all interconnected. These days, it could be anyone. Like I said, Trust No One... Of course, you are a Technopagan, and you probably know more about these things than us witches.
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Nov 21, 2003 14:33:53 GMT -5
The bad news -- Angel is being pre-empted next week for an airing of Josie & the Pussycats, which really is a bad movie.
The good news (and no, it has nothing to do with switching my car insurance to GEICO, thanks for asking) -- Seth Green has a small, uncredited cameo in Josie & the Pussycats, playing Travis, a member of the pop band "du Jour". So anyone having a Buffyverse withdrawal can look for Oz in the Josie movie, if you really want to.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 21, 2003 14:38:23 GMT -5
I LIKE the archaicness (is that a word?) of Daemon - however, somehow when I think of Jossverse demons like the ones in Spike & Angel, it doesn't seem quite right! Does that make sense? (by the way, is Daemon pronounced exactly thew same way as demon?) (and how do you do that funky "ae"?? I pronounce them both the same way, but I have no idea whether that's correct or not. I did the æ with a DOS control character (I have a manual with tables), if that helps any. On my keyboard, you have to hold down the ALT key while keying in 145 on the number keypad. That seems to depend on the keyboard, because the manual says to hold down the Ctrl key. Computers! I don't really understand them, but I can follow written instructions.
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Post by LeeHollins on Nov 21, 2003 14:41:21 GMT -5
Nan - sent you my review. Let me know if you didn't get it or if you have trouble opening it.
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Post by WinterDreamer on Nov 21, 2003 14:58:16 GMT -5
So, if the reason for abstaining from pre-marital sex is to preserve the sanctity of marriage, doesn’t that mean that BOTH people who indulge in sex for pleasure AND people who indulge in sex for love are equally at “fault” – i.e. they are both equally degrading the sanctity of marriage? And now that I think of it (always a cause for concern), if the reason is to “abstain from premarital sex” is to “preserve the sanctity of marriage,” because you sex should only occur within marriage, isn’t that a bit of circular reasoning? i.e. doesn’t it beg the question of why you should only have sex within marriage? I mean it isn’t sex that makes marriage a special bond – isn’t it, rather, love, devotion, caring, kindness, and respect that make marriage a special bond? Sex is clearly not the essential, or even an essential, ingredient of marriage. People who are physically unable to have sex, still get married. Their marriage isn’t any less a marriage than others, right? 1) I'm kind of behind, so maybe someone has already mentioned this, but in fact, failure to consummate is legitimate grounds for annulment--ie means the marriage never existed at all. In most traditions, sex is considered an essential part of a legal marriage. 2) It's really nice to have such a well thought out and articulate male perspective on this board--which sometimes seems to be a bit "estrogen heavy." (No offense to Dave, Rob, John, etc. who also hold up your end of the gender divide ably, but Len does seem to be taking his Devil's Advocate role very seriously!) 3) Now I can't even post this at all--too many connections!! What are you guys talking about?? Will try later.
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