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Post by Rachael on Nov 23, 2003 22:28:27 GMT -5
sigh- I know what you mean Patti Hubby's working late- kids farflung- feeling blue but not in the mood for actual phone conversations with friends- still hanging in here and listening to to '50's girl groups songs- am takign suggestions for an episode of Buffy (season 1-7) or Angel (Season 1 - for a nitecap Do you want funny, or wallowy, or inspirational? For funny, I'd go with Band Candy. For wallowy - The Gift always just makes me bawl like a little girl. Inspirational - hmm. . .I'll get back to you on that. There are a bunch, but I'd wanna choose carefully.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 23, 2003 22:33:13 GMT -5
That makes sense; my dad was "diagnosed" that way even earlier than you, so maybe new theories have replaced it. It's probably time to talk to him about it soon; he's been neglecting his medication again and his wife's not happy. Sometimes I wonder whether ADHD may occasionally be simply what intellectual giftedness looks like from the outside. Sometimes, anyway. One person's apparent (again, from the outside) "inability to focus" may just be someone else not "getting" them. Or the really fast connections they're making in their head. Is it still true that they say bi-polar and/or ADHD can be genetic, particularly on the male side? Shanno Woo hoo! This I know a little bit about. Even wrote a paper on it in grad school. Bipolar disorder, at least, is certainly at least partly inherited - runs in families in a big way, and they've managed to associate a few regions of the genome (largish chunks of various chromosomes; which genes within those chunks are associated with bipolar disorder has not been determined) with the disease. That said, it also certainly has a large environmental component - identical twins don't have 100% concordance (since identical twins are genetically identical, any differences between them are due to enviroment); however, the concordance is way above what would be expected for a purely environmental trait, too. None of my research indicated that there was a sex-linked component, but that doesn't mean the symptoms aren't influenced by sex.
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Post by Shan on Nov 23, 2003 22:42:28 GMT -5
Woo hoo! This I know a little bit about. Even wrote a paper on it in grad school. Bipolar disorder, at least, is certainly at least partly inherited - runs in families in a big way, and they've managed to associate a few regions of the genome (largish chunks of various chromosomes; which genes within those chunks are associated with bipolar disorder has not been determined) with the disease. That said, it also certainly has a large environmental component - identical twins don't have 100% concordance (since identical twins are genetically identical, any differences between them are due to enviroment); however, the concordance is way above what would be expected for a purely environmental trait, too. None of my research indicated that there was a sex-linked component, but that doesn't mean the symptoms aren't influenced by sex. Maybe I was remembering that it was ADHD, not bipolar disorder that was gender related. Not sex related. Don't you know any better? On *this* board? Talking to ME?
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Post by More ADHD GeneticsGiftedness on Nov 23, 2003 22:42:30 GMT -5
The newest science gives strong indication that both ADHD and Bipolar Disorder have strong inheritability; There's been a lot published in the past few years, including twin studies and studies of generations of ADHD in Amish families.
I know people who are very gifted and not ADHD; I have an ADHD side of the family, and a not ADHD side, and not many of us are dummies. I don't think I'm much less intelligent than my cousin who is a professor at Berkeley, but she's absolutely not ADHD, and her experience in school and out is in stark contrast to mine.
Well, that train of thought got derailed by My Dear Husband coming in behind me and saying something unnecessary, again. Welcome to my world...
Julia, who has learned much about many things but cannot reconstruct a thought once it's been blown up.
Also let me say part of what decided me on participating here is I haven't read one case of mistaking "then" for "than" or vice versa
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Post by makd on Nov 23, 2003 22:45:28 GMT -5
Rachael- evening- (settling in with chocolate and seltzer *to clear the-never mind- champagne works better but it IS Sunday* your memory does make more the story more emotionally valid- I am trying to remember what version I read (lo these many years ago) that proffered that interpretation- I swear I did not make it up whole cloth - the story really did say that was the purpose of the snow- Now- I 'd be curious to know - what in the original Greek story elicited that translation? These pesky translators- one never knows what their agenda is. You sent me scrambling for any of my various books of mythology-Bullfinch or the Edith (?) one and wouldn't you know- I can find neither. I must tear myself away from this board and clear away the Collier brothers' like mess of books and newspapers that daily threaten to engulf us. Ellie -- You're thinking of Edith Hamilton. I've got her Mythology book buried in my dining room right now, as MOPS paints the living room. (That's another great adventure. I think he'll definitely be finished by New Year's. No prob; saves me buying a Christmas tree.) ;D Now, here's a little bit of totally useless knowledge about Demeter, Pigs, and Cleansing Power Little things about Demeter, from Joseph Campbell's The Masks of God: Demeter was celebrated with ritual sacrifices of pigs, and these celebrations were symbolic of life and death. In many ancient European cultures, the sacrifice of a pig is linked to cults of the dead. The rituals to Demeter and Persephone were part of the Eleusis mysteries. Worship of Demeter was seen to be a worship of the miracle of life itself. Demeter's daughter, Persephone, washed away sin, appeased the powers of darkness, placated death, and appeased the boundaries of time and destiny. Major festivals of death, wherein the cleansing occurred, celebrated night to light, and occurred at the end of May. (These celebrations were replaced by early Christians to the end of December.) Guess that explains why so many of the apocalpysis fought in the Jossverse occur in May - and here we thought it was just coinciding with the end of the TV season. Initiates to the Eleusis mysteries underwent a spiritual and psychological crisis. Then, armageddon would come and the celebration and sacrifice would avoid mass annihilation. The snow represents the cleansing power of Persephone - cleanses the earth of sin, preparing it for the re-birth that comes with spring. Lastly, remember that Persephone was abducted by Vulcan, the god of the dead. And that according to the Koran, God is closer to man than his neck vein. If I see any pigs on Angel, I'll know The Fury keeps a copy of Joseph Campbell at the desk!
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Post by ellie on Nov 23, 2003 22:45:35 GMT -5
Do you want funny, or wallowy, or inspirational? For funny, I'd go with Band Candy. For wallowy - The Gift always just makes me bawl like a little girl. Inspirational - hmm. . .I'll get back to you on that. There are a bunch, but I'd wanna choose carefully. Do you believe this? I had just selected The Gift- ( I love bawling by myself) and had downloaded some fascinating reading material ...Joey made a surprise visit home...hungry as usual... be careful what you wax nostagic for- ( maybe i'll rope her into watching Buffy as compensation- I'll make her a button- "will watch Buffy for food") she has already grabbed the downloaded material and is eating blackberries and commenting cheerfully on religion and sex- oboy
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Post by Karen on Nov 23, 2003 22:48:36 GMT -5
Hi Karen...(going to take me awhile to stop thinking of you as Sandy...) I'm fairly 'fire bad, tree pretty' myself tonight...Keep telling myself to go to bed, I have to actually work tomorrow....but I'm still here, sorta... Me too! I thought I'd go with karen so that lparish can be Sandy if she wants to. I should go to bed too, but here I am with my hot chocolate and cozy afgan.
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Post by ellie on Nov 23, 2003 22:48:42 GMT -5
Ellie -- You're thinking of Edith Hamilton. I've got her Mythology book buried in my dining room right now, as MOPS paints the living room. (That's another great adventure. I think he'll definitely be finished by New Year's. No prob; saves me buying a Christmas tree.) ;D Now, here's a little bit of totally useless knowledge about Demeter, Pigs, and Cleansing Power Little things about Demeter, from Joseph Campbell's The Masks of God: Demeter was celebrated with ritual sacrifices of pigs, and these celebrations were symbolic of life and death. In many ancient European cultures, the sacrifice of a pig is linked to cults of the dead. The rituals to Demeter and Persephone were part of the Eleusis mysteries. Worship of Demeter was seen to be a worship of the miracle of life itself. Demeter's daughter, Persephone, washed away sin, appeased the powers of darkness, placated death, and appeased the boundaries of time and destiny. Major festivals of death, wherein the cleansing occurred, celebrated night to light, and occurred at the end of May. (These celebrations were replaced by early Christians to the end of December.) Guess that explains why so many of the apocalpysis fought in the Jossverse occur in May - and here we thought it was just coinciding with the end of the TV season. Initiates to the Eleusis mysteries underwent a spiritual and psychological crisis. Then, armageddon would come and the celebration and sacrifice would avoid mass annihilation. Lastly: according to the Koran, God is closer to man than his neck vein. The snow represents the cleansing power of Persephone - cleanses the earth of sin, preparing it for the re-birth that comes with spring. Lastly, remember that Persephone was abducted by Vulcan, the god of the dead... If I see any pigs on Angel, I'll know The Fury keeps a copy of Joseph Campbell at the desk! about to sign off now- makd- wow- i'm going to have to bookmark all of that- thank you- and no one at work bekieves me when I tell them that I learn so much from my Buffy board-
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Post by makd on Nov 23, 2003 22:49:37 GMT -5
/ I'm beginning to recognize when he's not taking his medication He's either chopping down trees and writing novels from 4am or sleeping/watching TV constantly. Thankfully, he doesn't drink any more! Shanno NOW you tell me the reason I'm always here! And I thought it was an obsession with the Jossverse and all things Buffy or Spike! What a relief! There's meds I can take! ;D
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Post by Shan on Nov 23, 2003 22:49:58 GMT -5
The newest science gives strong indication that both ADHD and Bipolar Disorder have strong inheritability; There's been a lot published in the past few years, including twin studies and studies of generations of ADHD in Amish families. I know people who are very gifted and not ADHD; I have an ADHD side of the family, and a not ADHD side, and not many of us are dummies. I don't think I'm much less intelligent than my cousin who is a professor at Berkeley, but she's absolutely not ADHD, and her experience in school and out is in stark contrast to mine. Well, that train of thought got derailed by My Dear Husband coming in behind me and saying something unnecessary, again. Welcome to my world... Julia, who has learned much about many things but cannot reconstruct a thought once it's been blown up.Also let me say part of what decided me on participating here is I haven't read one case of mistaking "then" for "than" or vice versa Well, Julia, those of us who have children certainly understand your world. At least partly. Shanno
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Post by Laura on Nov 23, 2003 22:50:28 GMT -5
<snip> she has already grabbed the downloaded material and is eating blackberries and commenting cheerfully on religion and sex- oboy Uh -- why am I now worried? (Do I need to be? Should I have thrown a few more disclaimers in? Or does she just think I'm nuts?)
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Post by Rachael on Nov 23, 2003 22:50:35 GMT -5
Maybe I was remembering that it was ADHD, not bipolar disorder that was gender related. Not sex related. Don't you know any better? On *this* board? Talking to ME?Sorry, Shanno. I should know better. But you (almost) refrained. Seriously, I used the word "sex" deliberately - it's because, to us geneticists, "sex" is chromosomal, while gender certainly is not.
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Post by Karen on Nov 23, 2003 22:55:09 GMT -5
The newest science gives strong indication that both ADHD and Bipolar Disorder have strong inheritability; There's been a lot published in the past few years, including twin studies and studies of generations of ADHD in Amish families. I know people who are very gifted and not ADHD; I have an ADHD side of the family, and a not ADHD side, and not many of us are dummies. I don't think I'm much less intelligent than my cousin who is a professor at Berkeley, but she's absolutely not ADHD, and her experience in school and out is in stark contrast to mine. Well, that train of thought got derailed by My Dear Husband coming in behind me and saying something unnecessary, again. Welcome to my world... Julia, who has learned much about many things but cannot reconstruct a thought once it's been blown up. Also let me say part of what decided me on participating here is I haven't read one case of mistaking "then" for "than" or vice versa Hi Julia! I wanted to welcome you to the board. I've been reading with interest all the bi-polar, adhd stuff. I work for someone who is adhd and he is highly intelligent, but my patience gets stretched with his disorganization and procrastination. Both of which I also fight, so I understand it. But he really doesn't see that he has a problem. grrrrarrgh. Good thing he is a nice guy and leaves me alone to do my job. As for the then and than - just wait until you get me on a bad day. Clarity and communication still working on I am.
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Post by Shan on Nov 23, 2003 22:55:26 GMT -5
NOW you tell me the reason I'm always here! And I thought it was an obsession with the Jossverse and all things Buffy or Spike! What a relief! There's meds I can take! ;D LOL! What's my excuse? (oh, please, don't even and as if we all didn't know already how I just live for the Wednesday smutfest and OOOH wait until you see my new Master S'cubie name!) Besides, I'm sure he mentioned that those meds have some unpleasant side-effects.
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Post by makd on Nov 23, 2003 22:56:21 GMT -5
Okay, now it's time for me to 'fess up - I've never read *any* fanfiction. Perhaps I'll start with Rob's. . .for a nice guy fix. ooh, ooh! Everyone, stand back! She's mine, mine, I tell you! Well, first, you must go to the fanfiction threads. There are two of them: one is for the fanfiction archived here, and the other is for fanfiction archived elsewhere. Second, you have a seat in the comfy chair, and Gail, BetsyL, and Deborah (my mentors) and I will tell you the BEST of the fanfic - from spuffy, to spangel - and back! Third, we will tell you how NOT to become addicted to fanfic. Oh, wait, we are all addicted to it...... Drats.
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