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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2006 17:39:17 GMT -5
Sawyer as the town crier. Locke vs Ana-Lucia. An island where you sit on the beach and drink mohitos. Well, 2 out of 3, minus the girl. Good one!! ;D Which fits nicely with the WWIIish song they heard over the radio. Does Locke have another hidey place again? Did he find another hatch? 'Cuz Sawyer taking the guns still doesn't answer where Locke took them at first.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2006 17:41:03 GMT -5
Holy crap--that's Kate's mom!!! Holy crap! I missed that!
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2006 17:43:15 GMT -5
Ah - Sawyer describes himself so perfectly - he's just the one who pushes the button! And the basis of most cons. The con aritist does very little other than present the scenario that will work best to sucker that particular mark and then depends on the person's own personality and actions to push the thing thru.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2006 17:44:54 GMT -5
Sunavabitch... Sawyer's doing this to get all the money for himself. Now he won't have to split it with a partner. Helluvathing, isn't it?
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2006 17:45:38 GMT -5
I am loving the Sayid/Hurley time. **nods nods nods very enthusiastically and a lot**
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2006 17:52:24 GMT -5
She was the long con! Danger of letting emotions get involved with a job. Sawyer's situational ethics. Kate said this before, about Sawyer trying to make people hate him. Sounds less convincing with repetition. I dunno. I'm starting to see what she means now. Yup. We've all been thinking of him as pretty messed up but ineffective. Probably not a good idea. Not a good person at all.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2006 17:54:20 GMT -5
This is why I like Sawyer. He can do the right thing. But Gordy may be waiting for her. WOW. Did NOT expect that. Huh, no evidence that she got caught.. Hee! Kate speaks what I was thinking about his tracking skills.. Because you are a talented applied psychologist, Sawyer. Well, YEAH, on the "hating him" part. "You run; I con. A tiger don't change his stripes" Still with the self-hatred. Gotta sleep some time, Sawyer. Guns make lumpy beds. That's what I'm thinkin'. 'Course, he's got that secret minion, so . . . . Dude, they are soooooo hearing radio broadcasts from out of time!! ;D Yes!!
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2006 17:57:00 GMT -5
The ep seemed to be mostly about what feeling left out, and alienated and cheated can do to you, if you let it. **nods** And the not good actions you might take based on that feeling . . .
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2006 18:01:42 GMT -5
Oh...my...goodness. Now, that's what I'm talkin' about! Wow! I'm in love with Charlie. #rofl1# #rofl1# #rofl1# Well, I'll join you in that messed up parade! ;D Oh Jin will have some serious hate goin' on when he finds out. It always comes back to Vincent, doesnt' it?
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2006 18:04:04 GMT -5
This was a very good episode and I sense that the Lostaways' relationships with each other are beginning to unravel - think of Charlie's description of the Tailies' first 48 days as "Lord of the Flies". I realize that many are inclined to cheer Sawyer for pulling a fast one on Jack and Locke, but I simply couldn't. Yes, he pulled a great con, but to what cost? He has now alienated the Lostaways even further and his relationship with Kate is now in the doghouse. And why? All due to his pride and resentment toward the other Losties for looting his possessions . . . something he was guilty of, himself. And Charlie had sunk even lower by agreeing to participate in this con due to his own resentment toward Locke. Even though their con had been successful, I felt that Sawyer and Charlie came off as pathetic in the end. Definitely heading toward "lord of the flies" time. Sawyer and Charlie are sooooo in trouble now. I mean, they can probably keep it going for a while, but then it's all gonna fall apart.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2006 18:05:54 GMT -5
This was a very good episode and I sense that the Lostaways' relationships with each other are beginning to unravel - think of Charlie's description of the Tailies' first 48 days as "Lord of the Flies". I realize that many are inclined to cheer Sawyer for pulling a fast one on Jack and Locke, but I simply couldn't. Yes, he pulled a great con, but to what cost? He has now alienated the Lostaways even further and his relationship with Kate is now in the doghouse. And why? All due to his pride and resentment toward the other Losties for looting his possessions . . . something he was guilty of, himself. And Charlie had sunk even lower by agreeing to participate in this con due to his own resentment toward Locke. Even though their con had been successful, I felt that Sawyer and Charlie came off as pathetic in the end.They did come off as very pathetic, but oh, it was fun. I loved that last scene between Sayid and Hurley - ending with them looking up into the dark sky, and then fading into the shot of Charlie and Sawyer in the dark jungle. Very, very nice imagery. I had a question. It's been 50 days or so since Flight 815 was brought down. Do you suppose that Sawyer started a Long Con (with Kate - and probably most of the others) from the beginning? **nods in agreement with the first bits and bounces in excitement over your last thought** Wouldn't that just be too tricksy for words? Would make for a heck of a thing to watch unveil itself, too!
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Post by Lola m on Feb 9, 2006 18:08:05 GMT -5
Please excuse my denseness, but my video tape was very dark and I wasn't paying close attention. What happened at the very end in the pre-Island con? Partner threatened Sawyer. Sawyer went to girl, said he loved her and sent her elsewhere to wait for him. Went out to the car. Who was in driver's seat? I couldn't see. Then went back inside? And picked up another/different bag of money? Can someone give me the bare bones of who wound up with what and how? No one was in the driver's seat. Sawyer basically conned both the woman and his "partner", ending up with all the money himself. Whether or not the "partner" is still alive is something I'd like to know.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 9, 2006 19:06:48 GMT -5
They did come off as very pathetic, but oh, it was fun. I loved that last scene between Sayid and Hurley - ending with them looking up into the dark sky, and then fading into the shot of Charlie and Sawyer in the dark jungle. Very, very nice imagery. I had a question. It's been 50 days or so since Flight 815 was brought down. Do you suppose that Sawyer started a Long Con (with Kate - and probably most of the others) from the beginning? **nods in agreement with the first bits and bounces in excitement over your last thought** Wouldn't that just be too tricksy for words? Would make for a heck of a thing to watch unveil itself, too! I don't understand the thought on the "long con" since the beginning, for Sawyer . . . no way he could have anticipated Ana Lucia, the hatch, the safe, etc . . . unless you mean . . . something else we've yet to learn about, that Sawyer has in mind?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 9, 2006 19:13:30 GMT -5
Rewatching Notes:
Locke makes Jack promise that the two of them will always open the safe together, but later Locke opens it without him... because he wanted to do it before Jack did.
Sawyer lost his reading glasses, which he requires to see fine detail, yet he can tell (well, not really) the hood is not the same as The Others used
Hurley's song reference. What is the song, context, etc? Not familiar to me.
My mom the wise one recognized that Sun's attacker had a wristwatch. The Others noticably don't have shoes, keys, wallets, and one would presume watches. Jack was later holding a similar looking watch, when he was watching Sun.
Need money for a long con- true or not?
Connection between Sawyer and his speech to the group in the end and Bearded Guys speech to the group in Hunting Party.
Sawyer filling the "leadership" void.
Radio Station WX**, American.
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Post by Linda on Feb 9, 2006 20:23:56 GMT -5
Hi all!
I miss you all! I haven't watched VM yet, so I'm all #lalala# in regards to the other threads right now.
I did watch Lost, though.
Hawaii pretty.
Sawyer. Issues! GAH! And: Oy!
That said:
Cons and people hating him are Sawyer's drugs of choice -- his pain-killers, so to speak ('Cause the pills and the beer got taken away along with the hatred.) He's got an awful lotta pain, doesn't he? I'd have way more sympathy if Sawyer's pain wasn't 86% self-inflicted. And if he weren't so intent on spreading it around.
Thanks to Sawyer, Charlie's discovered a new drug now, too.
Now Sawyer has blackmail material on Charlie. So does Charlie on Sawyer, but he wouldn't say anything unless Sawyer did. Unless he gets to 12-steppin'.
Sawyer's con personally betrayed the people who trusted him the most: Kate and Jin. (Did I mention issues!!! ?) In a dysfunctional way, he's probably trying to find out if he's at all loveable at his worst. Kate will probably forgive him. Jin probably won't, if he ever found out.
New island dynamics:
Eroded full trust in Jack & Locke as leaders.
Damaged trust between Jack & Ana-Lucia.
Damaged trust even further between Jack & Kate.
If any trust had even existed between Kate & Ana-Lucia, it would be gone. (Kate was *never* happy about the invasion of her woobie-hatch.)
Sawyer's at the top of the hated list once again. Woo Hoo?
Kate's step-daddy-issues with Sawyer have probably been eclipsed by her Sawyer-issues with Sawyer. Progress?
In a way, Sawyer has strengthened Kate's position of power on the island, since she's the only one who can get through to him. She'd be the primary negotiator in any gun trade. I wonder how much that weighed in on his decision to run the con, in light of how she seemed to be frozen out of the army recruiting and other important decisions lately.
In a very weird and twisty way, the situation (as it stands) seems less likely to get scarily violent. It comes with the way they all "used" guns in the past. Sawyer, with the exception of mercy- & revenge-for-parental- killings, only resorts to guns when directly threatened.
Locke uses guns and other weapons to consolidate his good standing -- to teach (the way he did with Walt and Michael) and stock up on trust and gratitude. Come to think of it, that's just what his dad did with him. Huh. (I don't recall if Locke used guns to provide food for everyone, but he did seem to walk around armed a lot.)
And how many times this season has Jack wanted to arm up and go after people? As a rescuer, maybe, but sometimes as an avenger. His access to everything made it difficult for anyone to argue that they thought it was a Very Bad Idea. Now he has to ambush or argue with Sawyer if he needs a firearm.
Of course, the situation is only semi-tolerable if the trouble comes from within the group. If the group is under attack from the outside, Sawyer has made the situation that much more dangerous. For himself and for everyone else. Oy.
Flash-er (Matthew's right: Flash-Sawyer doesn't have the same ring as Flash-Jack. And I agree with Lola about what *should* happen in any indecent Sawyer flashback) ;D:
It's vital to make the victim complicit in their own conning. By making use of their own insecurities and weaknesses.
When it comes right down to it, it still is all about the choices you make. There wasn't anyone in the car except Sawyer in the end. Even if he loved Cassie, he still chose to betray her. Whether he did it because of fear, self-loathing, greed or vanity, he made the decision freely. Even after he saw that she would've forgiven him for the lies up to that point.
I wonder if this flashback was before or after he chose not to take money from the family with the little boy.
Other stuff:
Once again, it was demonstrated that while Jack is the doctor, Hurley is the healer. (Yay, Hurley!)
Sayid needs a hug.
Time warp? Huh. That would explain Walt's growth spurt of 2 years in some 50 odd days, wouldn't it?
Linda, and did I mention Hawaii pretty?
P.S. I really miss you guys. This is the first time in a while that I got to watch an episode as it aired instead of a recording a few days later.
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