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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:26:01 GMT -5
season 6 - unfortunately (big time for me) "wrecked" is one of the episodes which for some reason which i dont have on tape. so eagerly awaiting the repeat (in the UK) which should be shown soon. season 5 - dont know if any of u have checked out douglas petrie's commentary on "fool for love". he talks about how william starts as a lovelorn fool and even though he transforms himself to spike, at the end he is still the same. he also talks about how the future for every character fits with their past/what's happened to them so far. which got me to thinkin about spike (not that i need any assistance on this point). i think that spike will bite the dust this time round but come back as a human. it would mark -dare i say it - a logical conclusion to the journey that he started on when he had the chip implanted. but im sure you've got many/different theories on this which i would love to hear about. re the kilt thing - i must say i was very reluctant to post this idea as like many other, i lurk but dont usually join in. so i was really glad that the idea was received so well. personally, i hadnt gone much beyond purely the image & was thinkin more of a modern twist - hence a black kilt rather than tartan. but it was interesting 2 c how much mileage u guys managed 2 get out of this idea. and as to angel being more attractive than spike - well yeah in your obvious conformist kind of way. but if your willing to think "outside the box" - which i know we all do - jm wins any which way. laters rakhi s
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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:27:46 GMT -5
season 6 - unfortunately (big time for me) "wrecked" is one of the episodes which for some reason which i dont have on tape. so eagerly awaiting the repeat (in the UK) which should be shown soon. season 5 - dont know if any of u have checked out douglas petrie's commentary on "fool for love". he talks about how william starts as a lovelorn fool and even though he transforms himself to spike, at the end he is still the same. he also talks about how the future for every character fits with their past/what's happened to them so far. which got me to thinkin about spike (not that i need any assistance on this point). i think that spike will bite the dust this time round but come back as a human. it would mark -dare i say it - a logical conclusion to the journey that he started on when he had the chip implanted. but im sure you've got many/different theories on this which i would love to hear about. re the kilt thing - i must say i was very reluctant to post this idea as like many other, i lurk but dont usually join in. so i was really glad that the idea was received so well. personally, i hadnt gone much beyond purely the image & was thinkin more of a modern twist - hence a black kilt rather than tartan. but it was interesting 2 c how much mileage u guys managed 2 get out of this idea. and as to angel being more attractive than spike - well yeah in your obvious conformist kind of way. but if your willing to think "outside the box" - which i know we all do - jm wins any which way. laters rakhi s
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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:28:22 GMT -5
I think there is room for both James and David to be attractive and I don't think you have to be a conformist if you enjoy David's looks over James. Both of them has something-at least to me that is sexy. James has a very sculpted other wordly face and David is deep dark and has a delicious smile. I like em both.
Torah J
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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:30:41 GMT -5
The search is on for a distributor for "Chance". It was shown at Sundance last year and it was shown at a festival in Birmingham AL (Amber's hometown) this past Fall. But until distribution is found, it's not available anywhere. See www.chancemovie.com Athene V
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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:32:36 GMT -5
I was lucky enough to see "Chance" when it screened at the Alabama Theater during the Sidewalk Fest back in September. Let me tell you, it was great! Amber and James did an amazing job acting-wise and I was highly, highly impressed with Amber's directorial debut. I only wish it was out at the movies or on video because I'm so eager to see it again!!
Lee Hollins
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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:33:34 GMT -5
Thanks to Alexandra for pointing me to the “Featurettes” on the last disc of the Season II set. I recommend watching them to one and all. I loved listening to the cast members – Charisma, Nick B, Tony H, Kristina S, Juliette (who was especially interesting because she sounded so American and so very sane!).
And James. I don’t usually use the word delicious, but I could eat him with a spoon. He beams, he radiates genuine happiness, he’s having fun, he looks great. Lord have mercy.
Also remarkable is how very different from Spike he is, and not just the accent – the whole presentation: attitude, movement, the way he holds himself. It’s impressive that he’s managed to create such fully realized, believable character so different from himself.
Tony Head says it best when he comments on why James’ character didn’t die as originally scheduled – he says that no, it couldn’t happen because “we all loved him far too much for that.”
No doubt. Hide your daughters. The guy is lethal.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:34:43 GMT -5
I went back to make sure of the placing of the interviews in the Featurettes section of the last DVD in the Season 2 set. The interviews actually happen in the second featurette listed. I agree with Spring. How she described James Marsters' interview is not overstating it AT ALL. And seeing the real people talking about their characters and the show is fascinating. James Marsters was practically bouncing out of his seat when he was talking with Juliette Landau about how they clicked onscreen. You could tell they both really had a wonderful time creating Spike and Dru as a couple. A nummy treat indeed!
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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:35:41 GMT -5
Hi - anybody still reading this thread? I am just seeking refuge from the "Bring on the Night" discussion board, where there is disappointingly little discussion of the episode itself. What do you all think of the episode in terms of Spike? What does it all mean for our favorite vampire?
Soulful Spike seemed to already have moved past doing good just for Buffy's sake - i.e., he has William's moral compass in place now. He knows the difference between right and wrong, and he wants to do right for its own sake.
But even soulful he still needs to learn to love himself, to value himself whether Buffy does or not.
He has plainly gained strength from Buffy's earlier "I believe in you" words, and I am thinking it is a step toward independently finding faith in himself.
I also thought of Alexandra's earlier comment about "maybe needing condoms" when they showed that "drowning" scene. I do wonder if the writers are meaning to suggest or foreshadow some kind of full or partial return of humanity.
I can't say I would like to see this if Spike's character continues into a spin-off. My preference would be for him to continue as a souled vampire, but who knows? In Joss I trust.
Edited By Spring Summers at 12/18/2002 6:58:00 PM.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:36:38 GMT -5
I live on a mountain and the recent storms, (complete with mud slides, fallen trees and sliding rocks the size of VW Beetles), took out my phone and electricity. Arrrgh! No Buffy last night!!! I feel serious deprivation. Does anybody have a tape to lend? As far as this thread goes, I think as a topic slides lower and lower in the list people stop going to it. It would be great if Spike/JM could be one of the main Buffy boards so it's always visible. However, the PTBs don't seem to be all that much on the Spike train. So I think their answer would be that if we want to talk about Spike all that much we should go to a Spike site. I think our consensus is that we'd like a little more depth in the topic than mooning on about how cute he is. I have no solution except that periodically we start some version of this topic at the top of the list.
Rusty Goode
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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:38:05 GMT -5
I agree with both Rusty and Spring; I enjoyed the "BOTN" discussion, but was rather surprised how the "IS GILES DEAD?" threads(s) just dominated that particular board. "Take that, you Spikeaholics!" ;-) Seriously, I like Giles a lot; maybe he's my second favorite character in the current BuffyVerse - but I was just surprised nonetheless. My #11 post on that ep's board about the weirdness of Spike's water torture - "Vampires don't NEED to BREATHE, do they?" was all but ignored. Okay, fine... but just thought with such a majorly popular character and such an uncharacteristic thing to see done to a vampire - ANY JossVerse Vampire - was odd.
Otherwise, I think we're seeing the makings of a new and improved "old", ballsy Spike! Yes, I knew that "I believe in you" from Buffy would infuse him - sometimes it's the little things that count SOOOO much.
I think he's going to be a BIG hero of the series. And a Spike-spinoff? Oh, hell yeah!
Miss Pamela
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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:38:58 GMT -5
Hi Miss Pamela, I found my missing posting that had my two cents worth about the whole Spike breathing/water torture thing - it was on the Stars/Characters thread (sigh). Anyway, I did a cut and paste to a new message I posted to Spike's Confidence Restored(?) thread, because that's where I had found a number of other messages about the under water torture.
I find all this splintering very, very confusing. It sure seems that many of these messages have overlapping relevances to different threads, which makes it really difficult to decide where is the appropriate place to post. Or, if like me, you are replying to a message in a certain thread and then find your message moved, where to hunt for it. I suggested a tracer message be inserted in place of a transferred message so that there is a clear trail to follow.
deborah cohen
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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:45:29 GMT -5
Hi, Deborah -- Glad you found your missing post! Yes, this splintering is a bit frustrating and confusing, indeed, as this entire area of ScoopMe! devoted to BTVS has grown so much.
However, in my humble opinion as a relatively new poster here (about 1.5 months or so)and as an unabashed "Spike lover", I think you might find at least SOME part of the reason for the splintering if you read the topic (here in the Miscellaneous section) titled "Scoopme Board Writers/Editors and Spike". So you might check that out if you haven't already.
This topic, begun by Judith G. on around 11/20, came about after things got surprisingly tense admidst a lively discussion of the awesome "Conversations With Dead People" episode.
Miss Pamela
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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:47:20 GMT -5
I just read the post that Judith G started on 11/20 and I want to say something without anyone getting upset or offended. First I can understand why so many people wanted to talk about Giles being dead or alive on the episode board-we haven't had him in that many episodes this season, the last we saw of him an axe was descending toward his head and when he finally showed up with information, he wasn't himself to say the least. So I can see why this caused a lot of responses. There were a lot of other things in the episode that called for debate (I even tried to bring up a few), but I've noticed if a poster isn't talking about what the majority wants to talk about then the poster and any ideas formulated are ignored.
I am a new poster to this board, but I have always read all the threads because I find it interesting how much we all love Buffy and I really love this board. Yet I have noticed that if you bring up Angel (heaven forbid) be prepared to get some flack for it. Now I love both Angel and Spike, but I can have a discussion about the characters without making or taking it personally. I will admit though that I felt a little pertrubed when a poster (can't remember who-read so many)felt the need to tell all that she was a B/S shipper 100%, if not more at the end of her reply to the who suffered more Angel or Spike thread. I don't understand what that means in terms of the discussion. I don't think that has anything to do with it, but obviously for some it does. Although I felt the comment was unnecessary to making the point, I continued to post, because I like the discussions- when they are well rounded and insightful. Yet I cringe whenever I see an Angel reference-and you're going to get them because he still has fans and because this season ties so heavily into Amends, because I think either the poster will be ignored or receive backlash for mentioning Angel and not Spike. Everything can't be about Spike. Honestly I don't get that at all. I feel a discussion can be had whether you like/dislike Angel/Spike or any other character on the show.
So please forgive me if I offend, that's not my intention. I just wanted to share my thoughts because I love discussing everything Buffy.
Torah J
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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:48:19 GMT -5
Torah J. said: "...if a poster isn't talking about what the majority wants to talk about then the poster and any ideas formulated are ignored." I think that says it pretty well, and I see no reason anyone should take offense to your post, Torah. At least *I* don't, and really disagree with nothing you said.
But I think the "Scoopme Editors" thread Judith started just shows that there is a qualifier to that rule: if the majority happen to be talking about Spike, it's going to rub some folks the wrong way. I admittedly haven't read every single post yet for the "BOTN" ep, but I simply wouldn't be surprised if there were no complaints about the prevalence of Giles-related posts from the same few who were complaining about the prevalence of Spike-related posts for "CWDP".
Again, re: the "BOTN" ep threads, I had NO problems with Giles or any BTVS character (including Angel) being the center of discussion in and of itself. I like Giles very much. And Angel - I'm surprised (and disappointed) to hear you feel posts on him sorta get "shut out" - that's certainly not right, either.
Bottom line: I REALLY think most of us that post ANYWHERE here are adult and mature enough to be open to good discussion about nearly any and all topics AND characters of BTVS/ATS. We love these series for their entireties; they're team efforts. I think what most of us want is just fairness. In other words, I truly wouldn't have wanted to see the same type of complaints against Giles-related posts in the "BOTN" ep threads, for instance, just as I did not enjoy seeing the complaints against Spike-related posts in the "CWDP" ep threads.
So in some cases, rather than try and get further discussion going about something other than Giles' death, some of us just decided to start threads elsewhere rather than hurl barbs at the Giles-centric posters. Hopefully we've set a better example by doing so.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 3, 2003 1:49:00 GMT -5
Still no luck with the elusive "edit" button, so I thought I'd better clarify myself: I said above, speaking to Torah's observation about tryint to discuss Angel in some cases: "And Angel - I'm surprised (and disappointed) to hear you feel posts on him sorta get "shut out" - that's certainly not right, either."
By "not right", I meant I think it's wrong for discussion on Angel to be shut out. I did NOT mean I was disagreeing with Torah (who said in #89, "I have noticed that if you bring up Angel (heaven forbid) be prepared to get some flack for it."). Frankly, until Torah mentioned it, I hadn't noticed this myself, but I think no one should get flack for mentioning Angel over anyone else (as long as it's relevant to the topic, but that sorta goes without saying and applies to every character).
Besides... Angel's my all-time second favorite JossVerse character. Gotta love those leading-men dead guys. ;-)
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