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Post by Rachael on Nov 5, 2004 20:28:04 GMT -5
There's a lot more overweight men on TV and in movies than women. And the guys usually have attractive, thin wives or girlfriends. Roseanne, Carmen Manheim, and the women who played Mimi are the only ones I can think of that had very significant roles. Carmen Manheim's character was certainly the only one of those 3 who seemed to have a brain. The women who plays Grace on Will & Grace was told to lose weight when she got that part, because she was too "curvy." Even Tyra Banks has been criticized because she's a size 8, not a 2!! Anybody notice that none of the young women on Lost are a pound overweight? As someone who's struggled with their weight there entire adult life, I find that just as bothersome as Hurley being portrayed as a nice, happy person. Gilmore Girls. There are three. Suki St. James is a major character, the other two are recurring important characters.
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Post by Karen on Nov 5, 2004 23:25:57 GMT -5
(apologies if I'm repeating what someone else has already said) As I was driving through town earlier this afternoon it occurred to me how counter-intuitive it seems that Kate would side with the folks staying on the beach. Of all the people who crashed, you'd think she'd be the one most reluctant to return to RL given what awaits her. That she'd want to start a new life. And yet both her decision to stay on the beach and her unwillingness to acknowledge her feelings for Jack--feelings she'd have to set aside were they to be rescued, as she'd end up back in custody--clearly indicate she still hopes they'll be saved. Interesting. Very interesting, Sara. Kate is a mixed bag. She told Jack that she hadn't given up the hope of being rescued. She also meanly told Sawyer that he probably didn't have anyone waiting at home for him. I think she was just fishing for information, tho.
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Post by Karen on Nov 5, 2004 23:29:18 GMT -5
Yes, we need more surf frolicking. Everyone should be surf frolicking by this time. I mean, good heavens, who cares about food and water and shelter and fire and radio signals? Where are these people's priorities, anyway? ;D Lola Obviously, I am losing what little remainded of my brain. Oh, if only I wasn't coming in to work tomorrow too. ;D ROTFLMAO! (Hey - no smiley button on this page.) Lola, Were you wearing Drusilla when Ethan was here on Halloween? Just sayin'.
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Post by Karen on Nov 5, 2004 23:31:04 GMT -5
More evidence for my "communication" theory - Locke knew that this was Charlie's task to perform. Kinda looks that way to me.
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Post by Nickim on Nov 6, 2004 0:44:47 GMT -5
Gilmore Girls. There are three. Suki St. James is a major character, the other two are recurring important characters. I don't watch GG much, plus I realize I forgot about the gal on Ed.
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Post by Rob on Nov 6, 2004 4:41:42 GMT -5
ps. And to stay on topic...errr... do you think any of the survivors are Jewish or Muslim? And if so, how do they feel about eating boar? V. Interesting point. I'm going to assume Sayid was as least raised in the Islamic faith based on his brief whispered prayer to Allah ("God is great" in Arabic, I believe it was) just before he turned on the radio and got Manny Ramirez'ed by Vincent. Of course, he may not currently be a practicing Muslim; there's been nothing shown regarding daily prayers and such. Still, I'd be disappointed if he is shown eating it. Even the less active among the Muslims I know don't eat pork...if for no other reason than they never ate it growing up. I cannot believe the actor himself wouldn't point out the error IF the writers missed that. He CAN, however, eat polar bear to his heart's content. By the way, I had a (probably insignificant) clue that sprung to mind: our Mystery Stick-Wielder is right-handed...or pawed, depending on your suspect list.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 6, 2004 15:08:44 GMT -5
Got peed on by a rabbit at the California State Fair..... Bunnies. My lion beats your bunny
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 6, 2004 15:11:20 GMT -5
Interesting point. I'm going to assume Sayid was as least raised in the Islamic faith based on his brief whispered prayer to Allah ("God is great" in Arabic, I believe it was) just before he turned on the radio and got Manny Ramirez'ed by Vincent. Of course, he may not currently be a practicing Muslim; there's been nothing shown regarding daily prayers and such. Still, I'd be disappointed if he is shown eating it. Even the less active among the Muslims I know don't eat pork...if for no other reason than they never ate it growing up. I cannot believe the actor himself wouldn't point out the error IF the writers missed that. He CAN, however, eat polar bear to his heart's content. By the way, I had a (probably insignificant) clue that sprung to mind: our Mystery Stick-Wielder is right-handed...or pawed, depending on your suspect list. no clue is insignificant. I just made that up, but it sounds good.
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Post by RAKSHA on Nov 7, 2004 1:56:35 GMT -5
I watched this episode, like all the others.
Though I still have trouble with all the characters' names, I enjoy the show.
Jack and Kate bore me. I keep hoping Kate will have a passionate affair with sexy Sayid.
Why was Jack so adamant, after only eight days, to move everyone into the cave and abandon a full-fledged effort to await rescue?
I like Locke, Charlie (who should have an identical twin called Merry!), the pregnant girl, and find the Korean couple (isn't that whasisname from Wolfram & Hart), the father and son, and the large man, intriguing. But if the dog dies, I won't watch the show anymore!
Gail , who is looking forward to HENRY VIII
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Post by Sue on Nov 7, 2004 8:53:04 GMT -5
I watched this episode, like all the others.
Though I still have trouble with all the characters' names, I enjoy the show.
Jack and Kate bore me. I keep hoping Kate will have a passionate affair with sexy Sayid.
Why was Jack so adamant, after only eight days, to move everyone into the cave and abandon a full-fledged effort to await rescue?
I like Locke, Charlie (who should have an identical twin called Merry!), the pregnant girl, and find the Korean couple (isn't that whasisname from Wolfram & Hart), the father and son, and the large man, intriguing. But if the dog dies, I won't watch the show anymore!
Gail , who is looking forward to HENRY VIII Henry VIII? Hiya, Gail!
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Post by Sara on Nov 7, 2004 17:36:25 GMT -5
no clue is insignificant. I just made that up, but it sounds good. Yes, it does. The recent TV Guide article talked about the comic book with the polar bear in it, and the producers confirmed their choice of comic book and the story therein was a very conscious one. To paraphase the folks in charge, no prop is in this show by accident.
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Post by RAKSHA on Nov 8, 2004 0:43:38 GMT -5
Masterpiece theatre is presenting a new 2-part version of Henry VIII and his six wives; with Helena Bonham Carter as Anne Boleyn. Sean Bean is in it, though not the first part...
We now return y'all to our regularly scheduled discussion of LOST....
Gail , who is watching a rerun of FOOL FOR LOVE
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Post by Lola m on Nov 8, 2004 8:35:06 GMT -5
ROTFLMAO! (Hey - no smiley button on this page.) Lola, Were you wearing Drusilla when Ethan was here on Halloween? Just sayin'. **snortle, snicker** Oh, I wish I could blame this on Dru! Actually, I was wearing Sweet. Dance, dance, my little puppets, and sing! Sing! Sing! Bwa ha ha ha! ;D Lola That whole lost mind thing is starting to look good now, isn't it? Lost - mind. See, even kept it on topic!
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Post by Nickim on Nov 9, 2004 10:20:43 GMT -5
Nice review Vlad. For an episode you didn't think much of, you sure gave us a lot to think about.
We have a different view of faith. You said "that is faith: the taking of an idea with no tangible backing as the truth." I feel that real faith has to be based on evidence. You can have "faith" that a friend who's stuck by you in the past will continue to do so in the future. You can't have "faith" in someone you just met. You can believe they're trustworthy, but faith requires more.
This is what I mean by faith requiring more than just belief:
I really liked what you said here:
Obviously Charley had very little self-esteem, it's one reason why he wasn't able to stand up to any temptation and say no. He wants to fit in so bad that he'll do things that hurt him. Now, he has Locke who has put faith in him, a new experience and a big self-esteem boost. Jack tells Charley "you can do this" when he has to pop that shoulder in--not easy even when someone's sedated. When Locke tells Charley he's proud of him, I got the feeling that Charley had never been told that, at least not for a long, long time.
I like what you said about whether Charley would stay clean if they were rescued. All the 12 step programs encourage reliance on a "higher power" to get through recovery and stay clean. I'd say Charley's doing that right now and has a good chance of staying clean.
I loved what you said about Kate:
I'd say it's overwhelming desire on Kate's part, though I don't understand why. She's accused of a crime, maybe even convicted, so why does she want to leave so bad? The evidence indicates that rescue isn't going to happen, so the smart thing is to plan for long-term survival.
I disagree a little on your "What didn't work." I can totally see the Kate and Sawyer incident happening. Sawyer has been rude and obnoxious to Kate a lot, so she expects him to be rude and obnoxious now. "All you had to do was say please." Even when he finally gives her the battery, he pulls it away first. What is he, 12? Having said that, I wish she would learn to listen before she jumps all over someone.
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Post by William the Bloody on Nov 9, 2004 10:23:45 GMT -5
(apologies if I'm repeating what someone else has already said) As I was driving through town earlier this afternoon it occurred to me how counter-intuitive it seems that Kate would side with the folks staying on the beach. Of all the people who crashed, you'd think she'd be the one most reluctant to return to RL given what awaits her. That she'd want to start a new life. And yet both her decision to stay on the beach and her unwillingness to acknowledge her feelings for Jack--feelings she'd have to set aside were they to be rescued, as she'd end up back in custody--clearly indicate she still hopes they'll be saved. Interesting. Yes, I have been having problems reconciling that myself. Seems to me that there are worse fates than being stuck on an island with a decent enough group of people, water and food and several cuties hot for me. A lengthy prison sentence for my "rescue" being high up on the "worse" list. The only thing I can come up with is that it's not that she doesn't want the "rescue" so much as she is afraid of intimacy. She delivers that line to Jack about not being ready to go make "house." We have the clues from the farmer that knew her for 3 months, that he thought it was relationship problems. We have the Marshal that sure seemed to take her crimes pretty personal. I think she might be guilty of crimes of hte heart. Vlad
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