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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:31:16 GMT -5
This is more good news! I hope James has someone collecting all his press and stuff and putting them in a wonderful Creative Memories scrapbook for him! Hmmmm.....
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:31:41 GMT -5
That's exactly it. My 'buds' are here again! :-) But I'd be tempted to skip the Puppet Show too. That one qualifies for 'worst eps' list. Except...there's that great bit at the end.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:32:43 GMT -5
I understand Season 4 DVDs will be available approximately june 10, 2003. what I DON'T understand is why it's taking so long for them to come out. I've heard the stuff about not wanting to lose money on the reruns, but they have to have seen that the issue doesn't arise. I have the DVDs for Seasons 1-3 and I STILL watch FX. don't ask me why, I have no answer. Perhaps ME (or whoever) will hurry up the rest of the seasons now that the series looks like it will end. I'd really like for more additional material to be added to the DVDs. Like the interviews at the end of the last DVD in the Season 2 box. Don't forget that James Marsters will be on the Craig Kilborn show (a rerun) Monday night just after midnight. Okay, thanks to Vlad, I have the tape of that show, but guess what? I'm going to watch it again. I think I have an addiction.
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:33:37 GMT -5
From: Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:35:08 GMT -5
If JM moves on to another show (where he stars, of course) I would like to see him with this look. Hair softer, more curly and two toned - and more natural makeup.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:35:57 GMT -5
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:36:31 GMT -5
Vlad says: "*waiting for the disagreements to begin*" OK - here ya go. I agree with the idea that Spike's struggle to get to the point of wanting his soul, of going after it and winning it, was the most important part of this redemption story. It was - it is - mostly about the trip, since "the soul" isn't any kind of cure-all, and Spike will be on this journey until he's dust. I don't agree the whole soul thing has been thrown out the window, or the soul is being presented as just a badge. Badges don't alter you as profoundly as that soul has changed Spike. The chip helped get Spike started - FX recently reran the ep where Oz comes back (some similarities, by the way, to Spike's return with his soul). This is Season 4. Some initiative guys zap Oz and Oz turns into a werewolf. They call this "transformation due to negative stimulation" - which I believe to be a direct reference to/foreshadowing of what will be happening to Spike. I believe, as ellie mentioned, that the soul represents . . . I forget how she put it . . .but basically, a very real "brass ring." Spike no longer needs the chip or Buffy to tell him right from wrong. This represents a real change; the soul is a badge, but it is much more than that as well. Edited By Spring Summers at 3/3/2003 8:31:00 AM.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:37:03 GMT -5
Once Upon A Time In New York I was in love with a series called "Beauty and the Beast" (actually I was in Texas at the time, but it sounded good). I loved that show as much as I love Buffy for many of the same reasons. Yet, when it went into reruns, I found I didn't want to watch them. Why? Dunno. But I glom onto FX's reruns of Buffy as much as I do the new ones on UPN. Devour each one (even the not-so-good ones) going through each season happily. They just seem as good in rerun as they did in first-run.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:37:36 GMT -5
Right there with you sister. And btw, have you read Barbara Cummings essay: "Season Six: A Letter to Mutant Enemy"? (Should that question mark have been in or outside of the quotation marks? Pls advise.) deborah
deborah cohen
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:38:12 GMT -5
Spring said: "I agree that allowing Spike to somehow "grow" a moral compass while soulless - to let him truly understand the difference between right and wrong, to learn do good for good's sake - would have been a much more daring storyline. Too daring, maybe - it truly would have shaken up the ground The Slayer stands on" The difference between soulless Angel and soulless Spike was so great that ME had already called their canon regarding the status of a souless vampire into serious question. I see Spike's regaining of his soul as a necessary step to recreating himself into a being that Buffy would find worthy of consideration as a person and a romantic partner. I really don't think Spike thought he needed it to be good man but he sought it out because Buffy valued it so highly. Personally I would have liked to see Spike achieve redemption sans soul. But I can see how giving him one allowed Joss/ME to put his character back on track with their established canon and to feel guilt for his past crimes against people he didn't personally care about (pre-Buffy). It's interesting that some of the fanfiction I've read deals in depth with these very issues. Barb Cumming's "A Raising In the Sun" and "Necessary Evils" (which I'm still in the process of reading) and the "Dancing Lessons" epic (of which I've so far completed parts one and two) both explore Spike's extrordinary journey of self transformation without a soul. In (I believe) the "Dancing Lessons" epic, there is some very compelling discussion arising from Dawn and then Buffy's doubts in light of Spike's example about their previously held conviction that all vampires are iredeemably evil. deborah
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:38:59 GMT -5
Vlad, thank you for putting my own belief about this issue into such clear articulate language for me. I loved your post. deborah
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:39:43 GMT -5
Patti T (WELCOME!) had on her list: "Crush - the moment on the balcony in the Bronze, when Spike is struggling and almost literally watering at the mouth before he bends his head and drinks from the girl Drusills killed for him. Sick puppy me, but that is one hot moment." Funny she should mention the ending of what is one of my all time favorite scenes which I find mesmorizing in its entirety. Spike & Drusilla first enter the Bronze together. Actually, "enter" is hoplessly inadaquate in describing the way they walk in but words fail me. Suffice it to say that they just quietly radiate power and danger. Spike steels a beer from a passing waitress' tray, sets it down on a table and backs up onto the dance floor with his hands out, palms up, leading Drusilla along with him. She puts her hands on his with the lightest of touches and their ensuing dance, brief as it is, is absolutely hypnotic. Despite their long separation they appear so seemless a couple, so much a part of each other, their long shared history and intimacy is wordlessy apparent. Then Dru turns in his arms and they dance back to back as she sets her sights on her prey up on the balcony and she reaches her hand back up to Spike's face and guides his gaze to the couple making out above. Spike instantly understands and agrees to her silent communication and they ascend to the balcony. The scene concludes as Patti describes. I believe that Dru was as much a soul mate for the old Spike as is Buffy for his present and future. deborah
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:40:47 GMT -5
Who's who? Dunno. Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:41:26 GMT -5
Sorry, it wasn't back to back. Dru turned to dance with her back pressed against Spike's front so they were both facing the same direction. deborah
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 15:42:47 GMT -5
This would have helped make Robert's case for B/X without a word being spoken, if only we hadn't seen "Out of My Mind" - the dream sequence. Alexandra K.
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