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Post by Sara on Dec 1, 2005 13:59:38 GMT -5
This may have been mentioned already (I was very quickly scrolling through the thread last night). I found this in lj land (posted by the_red_shoes who was clued in by someone else). Sayid on the tv! Very, very cool. Thanks for telling us about this, Liz.
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Post by Sara on Dec 1, 2005 14:07:08 GMT -5
"Do not confuse coincidence with fate."
Damn. It's about time SOMEONE said that to Locke. But I'll add my own addendum, as well: "Don't confuse a big-ass rat maze experiment with fate." Someone so intended for the other part of the passengers to have the other part of the film. And I'm telling, you, POOKA. You never, ever approach a black horse in the woods, even if the woods happen to be a jungle. That may have been my favorite line of the evening. It's such an interesting contrast; you have Locke, who sees meaning and connections everywhere and interprets them as more evidence his faith is well-placed, and you have Eko, who by all appearances doesn't need such connections to maintain his belief.
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Post by Squeemonster on Dec 1, 2005 15:35:05 GMT -5
Oh, thank god someone else likes Jack, too!! I was beginning to feel very lonely around here. ;D Hee. I don't dislike him; I just sorta find him boring. I tend to find angst-ridden men boring, actually. And I'm saving myself for some of that Jin action, anyway. ;D Jin was looking mighty fine last night.
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Post by Squeemonster on Dec 1, 2005 15:41:40 GMT -5
Incidentally (and I don't know if anyone's done this before), "dharma" has several meanings: a fundamental Buddhist term having several meanings, the broadest of which is 1) "phenomenon." All phenomena are subject to the law of causation, and this fundamental truth comprises the core of the Buddha’s teaching. Thus dharma also means: 2) law, 3) ultimate truth, 4) the Buddha’s teaching, and 5) the doctrines of Buddhism.derived from the Sanskrit root dhr meaning to hold up, to carry, to bear, to sustain. The word dharma refers to that which upholds or sustains the universe. Human society, for example, is sustained and upheld by the dharma performed by its members. For example, parents protecting and maintaining children, children being obedient to parents, the king protecting the citizens, are acts of dharma that uphold and sustain society. In this context dharma has the meaning of duty. ...Dharma is the teaching of the Buddha. Though the general meaning of dharma is phenomenon, the term most frequently refers to the Holy Dharma, profound manifestation, and the path that leads all beings to liberation from suffering-to enlightenment.There are so many things that could be meant by "Dharma"...but it is interesting, to me, that one of the fundamental teachings of Tibetan Buddhism (as I understand from my limited readings of the Dalai Lama's stuff) is that ignorance leads to suffering, so one of the tasks of a person on the path to enlightenment is to work to eliminate ignorance. As with, for example, WHY you'd be expected to enter a freakin' code every few hours. The real why, not some gussied-up version of "because". Huh. That is *very* interesting.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Dec 1, 2005 16:00:13 GMT -5
"Do not confuse coincidence with fate."
Damn. It's about time SOMEONE said that to Locke. But I'll add my own addendum, as well: "Don't confuse a big-ass rat maze experiment with fate." Someone so intended for the other part of the passengers to have the other part of the film. And I'm telling, you, POOKA. You never, ever approach a black horse in the woods, even if the woods happen to be a jungle. That may have been my favorite line of the evening. It's such an interesting contrast; you have Locke, who sees meaning and connections everywhere and interprets them as more evidence his faith is well-placed, and you have Eko, who by all appearances doesn't need such connections to maintain his belief. Thank you, Planetary Voice of Reason. I've been trying to quantify the differences between Locke's faith, and Eko's faith. You've just done it for me, and better than I could ever have. I'm very interested in seeing what happens when Eko faces the spirit of the island, as Locke did (assuming that that's what the teaser meant).
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Post by leftylady on Dec 1, 2005 17:29:00 GMT -5
Y'all did notice that Mike used the computer for something other than inputting the darn Numbers and the island didn't explode - Dharma head games?
GAIL Exactly. Remember this is supposed to be an experiment. A sociological experiment? **A group (all groups?) told not to communicate. **The tape split up so communication / cooperation is essential for understanding if not survival. What did the Dharma controllers expect / want: human nature to go paranoid or to forge bonds despite instructions, despite all impediments? Interesting. Did the Others go one way and now the 2 Flight 815 groups the other?
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Post by leftylady on Dec 1, 2005 17:31:28 GMT -5
This may have been mentioned already (I was very quickly scrolling through the thread last night). I found this in lj land (posted by the_red_shoes who was clued in by someone else). Sayid on the tv! Very, very cool. Thanks for telling us about this, Liz. Liz, I can't really see much detail onscreen in the attached graphic. Could you describe what is shown on the tv (and in what scene does this appear). Thanks. ETA Now we have had a tv news shot of Hurley and Sayid. Another connection? Wonder if there will be others.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Dec 1, 2005 18:07:00 GMT -5
Very, very cool. Thanks for telling us about this, Liz. Liz, I can't really see much detail onscreen in the attached graphic. Could you describe what is shown on the tv (and in what scene does this appear). Thanks. ETA Now we have had a tv news shot of Hurley and Sayid. Another connection? Wonder if there will be others. Click on the thumbnail to view the full size picture. It was stretching the thread, so I did it this way. It's the scene where Kate is talking to her "father." Sayid is shown on the TV in his office. (Appears to be a newscast. A connection to Sayid's backstory, I imagine?)
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Post by leftylady on Dec 1, 2005 18:16:45 GMT -5
Liz, I can't really see much detail onscreen in the attached graphic. Could you describe what is shown on the tv (and in what scene does this appear). Thanks. ETA Now we have had a tv news shot of Hurley and Sayid. Another connection? Wonder if there will be others. Click on the thumbnail to view the full size picture. It was stretching the thread, so I did it this way. It's the scene where Kate is talking to her "father." Sayid is shown on the TV in his office. (Appears to be a newscast. A connection to Sayid's backstory, I imagine?) Thanks. Hurley's tv appearance came just a couple of episodes before his backstory, so more Sayid soon? or at least soon after Holiday hiatus?
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Post by Jan on Dec 1, 2005 19:34:38 GMT -5
This may have been mentioned already (I was very quickly scrolling through the thread last night). I found this in lj land (posted by the_red_shoes who was clued in by someone else). Sayid on the tv! Very, very cool. Thanks for telling us about this, Liz. And I'm almost certain that Jack is sitting at a desk in the same scene, in uniform, with a short haircut. Behind Kate as she's facing her dad.
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Post by William the Bloody on Dec 1, 2005 22:02:59 GMT -5
So this is her mom? Yeah, that was daddy. Or stepdaddy. You know, you really shouldn't confess to the crime before your mom knows about it. IN FRONT OF WITNESSES, no less. Yeah, Jack, she's right. As community leader, it's kinda your duty. Hell, no, she's not okay. She's "fine" for "Farked-up, Insecure, Neurotic, and Emotional" gotta face what you do, Ana-Lucia. Be easier to face everyone else if you show up, and show your face and your sorrow. </my two cents> Man, Naveen does anguish so beautifully. C'mon Jack, say something inspiring. Or at least hand the ball off to Hurley. Ah. Communal ceremony. Who practices that "everyone pours in a handful of dirt" custom? Ah, Patsy...... "Why did you kill me?!"? Huh? Ummm... we do? My family, I mean. *shrugs* We either toss roses or drop dirt. Vlad
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Post by Sara on Dec 1, 2005 22:58:16 GMT -5
So this is her mom? Yeah, that was daddy. Or stepdaddy. You know, you really shouldn't confess to the crime before your mom knows about it. IN FRONT OF WITNESSES, no less. Yeah, Jack, she's right. As community leader, it's kinda your duty. Hell, no, she's not okay. She's "fine" for "Farked-up, Insecure, Neurotic, and Emotional" gotta face what you do, Ana-Lucia. Be easier to face everyone else if you show up, and show your face and your sorrow. </my two cents>Man, Naveen does anguish so beautifully. C'mon Jack, say something inspiring. Or at least hand the ball off to Hurley. Ah. Communal ceremony. Who practices that "everyone pours in a handful of dirt" custom? Ah, Patsy...... "Why did you kill me?!"? Huh? I dunno--I tend to think she did the right thing by staying away. Regardless of whether the folks there think it was an accident, Ana is still the reason they're putting a friend--a fellow survivor--in the ground. A service like that is meant as a way to pay homage to Shannon's life; if Ana showed up all, it'd all but guarantee that everyone would instead focus on Shannon's death. At least, that's my two cents.
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Post by William the Bloody on Dec 1, 2005 23:29:57 GMT -5
Very, very cool. Thanks for telling us about this, Liz. And I'm almost certain that Jack is sitting at a desk in the same scene, in uniform, with a short haircut. Behind Kate as she's facing her dad. I went back and slo-mo-ed through that entire scene and there is no Jack there at all. Neither the soldier at hte desk nor the (presumably) new recruit. Sorry. Vlad
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Post by Jan on Dec 2, 2005 11:10:16 GMT -5
And I'm almost certain that Jack is sitting at a desk in the same scene, in uniform, with a short haircut. Behind Kate as she's facing her dad. I went back and slo-mo-ed through that entire scene and there is no Jack there at all. Neither the soldier at hte desk nor the (presumably) new recruit. Sorry. Vlad Thanks for checking this for me, Vlad. I was so excited about it that I completely missed Sayid on the TV. There's been some speculation that Jack was in the military and I thought at last we had proof. *wouldn't make a good bloodhound*
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Post by Lola m on Dec 3, 2005 13:51:08 GMT -5
Random Observations:
I like Kate even less than I did before; which isn't saying much.
Evidently Jack is feeling the same way; since he's now having a drink with loose cannon Ana Lucia. On the other hand, Kate seems to be something of a loose cannon, too. Maybe he should start up something with Sawyer.
Do you think the writers set up this episode so that there'd be several minutes of focussing on Sawyer's nude torso?Gee, ya think? ;D Oh, definitely! #rofl1# [/color][/quote]
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