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Post by RAKSHA on Jan 19, 2006 19:45:29 GMT -5
After watching this episode, I could finally see why Sarah had eventually cheated on Jack and left him. Their marriage . . . it seemed so antiseptic. Dead. There is nothing more sad than watching two people unable to communicate with each other. I can't help but wonder why they had decided to get married in the first place. Had Sarah been somewhat grateful toward Jack for saving her life and giving her a chance to walk again? Because he had "fixed" her? And had Jack married her because he had believed that he could fix more than just her legs? Remember . . . he had met Sarah's fiancé when she was in the hospital. And looking at Kate, she strongly reminded me of Sarah in a way. Both women have that quiet, "classy" aura about them. Both needed their lives fixed. Sarah needed her legs and romantic life fixed. Kate needed her life fixed after spending so many years as a fugitive. And in a way, one would see that Jack had done just that for Kate, as well. Around the time of Flight 815's plane crash, she was a fugitive being escorted back to the States - something that didn't take Jack very long to find out. But instead of ostracizing her, Jack "fixed" Kate's life by helping her become a respected member of the island's community. And it is possible that she is very grateful. But I do think that Jack sees Kate's connection with Sawyer as a sign that she, like Sarah, might betray him in the end. And if you think about it, he really doesn't have a right to think this way, considering that he and Kate are not "officially" a couple. ------- Granted, I'm not a big Kate fan and I was puzzled about why she had insisted upon following Jack, Locke and Sawyer. But if you look at her past history on the island, she had always took part on some of the major issues or events. So, it is not hard to understand why she had expected to be included in this particular expedition. But what I found even more puzzling was Jack's insistence that she stay behind. WHY? He never had any problems with allowing her to accompany him on such expeditions before. Why did he insist upon her staying behind, this time? He could have easily asked Hurley, Charlie or any of the other castaways to tend to the button. But he didn't. He told Kate to stay behind. In fact, he practically yelled at her to do so. Why? By the way, isn't the guy who played the Bearded Man, the same actor who played Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane in the recent DUKES OF HAZZARD movie? Good points!
I could hardly believe that Jack's wife was the same glowing bride he joyfully married - they acted like acquaintances, not husband and wife; absolutely no connection and very little emotion. Wasn't Jack a "senior "at that time, in which case he would have very little time at home? Also, I could definitely see a connection forming between Jack and the beautiful young woman whose father he was trying to save.
Maybe Jack didn't want Kate to come because he was feeling more attracted to her, and also sensed the vibe between her and Sawyer - though it would have made more sense to bring Kate along and leave still-weak Sawyer tied up in the hut or hatch with Sayyid as a guard. Has Kate done any hazardous duty with Jack's okay since they briefly kissed?
There have been hints that a romance will develop between Jack and Ana-Lucia. She needs Jack's help too; she's not trusted or liked by the Fronties, though Jin and Sun kindly reached out to her...I would still rather see Ana-Lucia and Sawyer come together, it would be explosive but more interesting IMO than Sawyer & Kate. Jack becoming romantically interested in Ana-Lucia could be a further sign that he is taking a walk on the wild side in terms of romance; since both Kate and Ana-Lucia are murderers, and Sarah was not. But Jack doesn't seem to have any darkness within him, and I'm not sure he could understand it or deal with it well in others - as opposed to Sayid and MisterEko, who have mostly tamed their own darkness but know that it's still there and has been a part of them.
I really liked the brief and expressive dialogue between Sun and Jin toward the end of the episode. They are on their way to becoming a much stronger couple, if they both survive.
Evil!Bearded Guy (wasn't his name Zeke) reminded me of first Survivor winner Richard Hatch.
GAIL
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Post by Linda on Jan 19, 2006 21:06:42 GMT -5
That makes no sense to me. What info does "on which side was the ocean closest?" give you? I'm just not following. Maybe he did mean, as Liz suggested, "the bay" instead of "the ocean?" Oh - please don't let that that bearded guy be another new character. My first thought was that it was Jack's father, but from what I could see, it doesn't seem to be. Hi Spring! I just thought I'd weigh in on this one. On Oahu (where Lost is filmed) the directions of mauka (towards the mountains) and makai (towards the ocean) are used much more frequently than the more abstract directions of N, S, E, W. The island is small enough so that there are very few places where the diametrically opposed directions of mauka and makai would be confusing. (Well, ok, if you are hiking in a valley, then pretty much every direction is essentially both.) However, if you ever visit here (S'cubiefest 3? Hint, hint. ) and ask for or give directions in terms of N/S/E/W, be prepared for a slightly blank look as a local person translates the compass points into mauka/makai, Diamond Head/Ewa, Windward/Leeward, etc. I believe it was clever of Locke to ask Sawyer about which side the ocean was when they were travelling. If he had asked Sawyer to try and access his fever-addled memory about whether they were heading south or west or some such thing, I can easily imagine Sawyer telling him where to put his compass. ;D However, knowing that the ocean was on Sawyer's left meant that they had been travelling clockwise as opposed to widdershins around the island. It tells him the general direction of where the tallies' camp used to be. And where it wasn't. Which was what he actually wanted to know when he asked Sawyer the ocean question. Linda, now wondering if the fact that all boundaries are water has a psychological impact on island living. Huh.
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Post by Karen on Jan 19, 2006 21:11:59 GMT -5
That makes no sense to me. What info does "on which side was the ocean closest?" give you? I'm just not following. Maybe he did mean, as Liz suggested, "the bay" instead of "the ocean?" Oh - please don't let that that bearded guy be another new character. My first thought was that it was Jack's father, but from what I could see, it doesn't seem to be. Hi Spring! I just thought I'd weigh in on this one. On Oahu (where Lost is filmed) the directions of mauka (towards the mountains) and makai (towards the ocean) are used much more frequently than the more abstract directions of N, S, E, W. The island is small enough so that there are very few places where the diametrically opposed directions of mauka and makai would be confusing. (Well, ok, if you are hiking in a valley, then pretty much every direction is essentially both.) However, if you ever visit here (S'cubiefest 3? Hint, hint. ) and ask for or give directions in terms of N/S/E/W, be prepared for a slightly blank look as a local person translates the compass points into mauka/makai, Diamond Head/Ewa, Windward/Leeward, etc. I believe it was clever of Locke to ask Sawyer about which side the ocean was when they were travelling. If he had asked Sawyer to try and access his fever-addled memory about whether they were heading south or west or some such thing, I can easily imagine Sawyer telling him where to put his compass. ;D However, knowing that the ocean was on Sawyer's left meant that they had been travelling clockwise as opposed to widdershins around the island. It tells him the general direction of where the tallies' camp used to be. And where it wasn't. Which was what he actually wanted to know when he asked Sawyer the ocean question. Linda, now wondering if the fact that all boundaries are water has a psychological impact on island living. Huh. Well, you would know about that. #wavey# Hi Linda! I had thought at the time that Locke's question was a little odd, but came to the conclusion that there is no way Sawyer could have known his north from south as bad off as he was. Thanks for the explanation on why Locke's question worked. *widdershins*? counterclockwise?
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Post by Sara on Jan 20, 2006 10:50:48 GMT -5
I don't believe this has been mentioned yet, but if so I apologize--when Zeke called to have Kate brought out, the person he summoned was Alex. Which, I'd totally forgotten, is also the name of Danielle's child. And when Zeke quoted someone "much smarter" than any of them as having said "From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity"? To see the source of the quote, you need only head here.
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Post by fish1941 on Jan 20, 2006 13:56:34 GMT -5
I believe that Jack DOES have darkness within him. Everyone does. I believe that Jack's darkness came out in small spurts in this episode - especially in his behavior toward both Kate and Sawyer. And I still recall how he had not bothered to stop Sayid from torturing Sawyer for Shannon's medication or seemed determined to go after Locke for Boone's death.
Jack's darkness has not manifested as violently as some of his fellow castaways (Ana, Sawyer, Kate, Sayid, Shannon, Charlie and Eko), at least not yet. But . . . give it time.
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Post by Karen on Jan 20, 2006 15:02:14 GMT -5
I don't believe this has been mentioned yet, but if so I apologize--when Zeke called to have Kate brought out, the person he summoned was Alex. Which, I'd totally forgotten, is also the name of Danielle's child. And when Zeke quoted someone "much smarter" than any of them as having said "From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity"? To see the source of the quote, you need only head here. Oh! Creepy! Did you click on the photo? (Who, btw, I still think looks like Locke's father.)
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 20, 2006 16:17:03 GMT -5
That makes no sense to me. What info does "on which side was the ocean closest?" give you? I'm just not following. Maybe he did mean, as Liz suggested, "the bay" instead of "the ocean?" Oh - please don't let that that bearded guy be another new character. My first thought was that it was Jack's father, but from what I could see, it doesn't seem to be. Hi Spring! I just thought I'd weigh in on this one. On Oahu (where Lost is filmed) the directions of mauka (towards the mountains) and makai (towards the ocean) are used much more frequently than the more abstract directions of N, S, E, W. The island is small enough so that there are very few places where the diametrically opposed directions of mauka and makai would be confusing. (Well, ok, if you are hiking in a valley, then pretty much every direction is essentially both.) However, if you ever visit here (S'cubiefest 3? Hint, hint. ) and ask for or give directions in terms of N/S/E/W, be prepared for a slightly blank look as a local person translates the compass points into mauka/makai, Diamond Head/Ewa, Windward/Leeward, etc. I believe it was clever of Locke to ask Sawyer about which side the ocean was when they were travelling. If he had asked Sawyer to try and access his fever-addled memory about whether they were heading south or west or some such thing, I can easily imagine Sawyer telling him where to put his compass. ;D However, knowing that the ocean was on Sawyer's left meant that they had been travelling clockwise as opposed to widdershins around the island. It tells him the general direction of where the tallies' camp used to be. And where it wasn't. Which was what he actually wanted to know when he asked Sawyer the ocean question. Linda, now wondering if the fact that all boundaries are water has a psychological impact on island living. Huh. First: Hi, Linda! Always great to hear from you. Second: This stuff is all very confusing to this landlocked, spacially-challenged, Ohio girl - but I'll take your word for it. Love the part about S3 in Hawaii! Wouldn't that be great!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 20, 2006 19:53:58 GMT -5
Rewatching,
Jack's dad tells Jack that crossing the line is OK for some people, but not for him.
In What Kate Did, Kate's "dad" tells her that she killed Wayne while he didn't because he didn't have murder in his heart, implying that she does. [note: my memory's a little fuzzy on this since it's been a while]
In both cases, the parents seem to indicate that their children are somehow set apart (and less?) that most everyone else.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 20, 2006 21:12:08 GMT -5
I don't believe this has been mentioned yet, but if so I apologize--when Zeke called to have Kate brought out, the person he summoned was Alex. Which, I'd totally forgotten, is also the name of Danielle's child. And when Zeke quoted someone "much smarter" than any of them as having said "From the dawn of our species, Man has been blessed with curiosity"? To see the source of the quote, you need only head here. Oh! Creepy! Did you click on the photo? (Who, btw, I still think looks like Locke's father.) Very intriguing!! And yes, creepy.
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Post by Karen on Jan 21, 2006 0:38:21 GMT -5
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 21, 2006 9:54:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the nice review, Lola. Entertaining and enlightening . . . what more can you ask for? I think so too. I think Mr BOG had one guy back there, who had something set up so he could light all the torches at once. They know BOG has Walt, right? So surely they can figure that info came from Walt? Nice catch, and so true! I hope you are right. I would love to see the show stop “building up” for awhile – with new characters, new mysteries – and give us some forward movement. You mentioned Jack and his fixing things, and I thought it was significant that his patient “died on the table.” It was especially frustrating for Jack, because he had performed that miracle: He performed the supposedly inoperable operation; he was every bit as extraordinary a surgeon as Gabriella and her father had determined he was. But the patient was too weak to live through the surgery. So this is about Jack, this is what Jack doesn’t quite grasp: You can do everything right, and you can still fail, because all the power is not vested in you. It never is, it never will be.
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Post by Jan on Jan 21, 2006 11:38:27 GMT -5
This is a more complete version of the film than what has been shown on the show, right? Or maybe I don't remember well. Anyway, to address your comment, I think the bearded guy in the film could easily be BOG. The difference in age would be about right, and there must be a reason why the guy in the film has a beard. Because nothing on Lost doesn't relate to something else. Also, does anyone else remember a blond woman standing next to BOG on the boat when they took Walt? ETA Rich just reminded me that BOG also quoted the Hanso project, so that's a double reason for thinking BOG is the bearded guy in the film. ETAA Lola, your review was full of chewy goodness. Please forgive my not being more specific in my praise.
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Post by Sara on Jan 21, 2006 18:50:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the nice review, Lola. Entertaining and enlightening . . . what more can you ask for? I very much enjoyed reading it, and you made a number of connections I'd missed the first time around (the juxtaposition of Sun and Jin's conversation with the ending of Jack's marriage, for example). Nicely done. A great observation Spring, particularly in light of last week's religion-centric episode; Jack Shepherd's inability to accept that some things are beyond his control is such a contrast to Eko's acceptance of that very notion, not to mention his belief that such power lies with a shepherd of a very different sort. Man, I hope that makes sense--my brain is barely functioning today.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 21, 2006 23:09:02 GMT -5
Thanks for the nice review, Lola. Entertaining and enlightening . . . what more can you ask for? I think so too. I think Mr BOG had one guy back there, who had something set up so he could light all the torches at once. They know BOG has Walt, right? So surely they can figure that info came from Walt? Nice catch, and so true! I hope you are right. I would love to see the show stop “building up” for awhile – with new characters, new mysteries – and give us some forward movement. You mentioned Jack and his fixing things, and I thought it was significant that his patient “died on the table.” It was especially frustrating for Jack, because he had performed that miracle: He performed the supposedly inoperable operation; he was every bit as extraordinary a surgeon as Gabriella and her father had determined he was. But the patient was too weak to live through the surgery. So this is about Jack, this is what Jack doesn’t quite grasp: You can do everything right, and you can still fail, because all the power is not vested in you. It never is, it never will be. Thanks, Spring!! And eetah on Jack's issues!
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Post by Lola m on Jan 21, 2006 23:10:40 GMT -5
This is a more complete version of the film than what has been shown on the show, right? Or maybe I don't remember well. Anyway, to address your comment, I think the bearded guy in the film could easily be BOG. The difference in age would be about right, and there must be a reason why the guy in the film has a beard. Because nothing on Lost doesn't relate to something else. Also, does anyone else remember a blond woman standing next to BOG on the boat when they took Walt? ETA Rich just reminded me that BOG also quoted the Hanso project, so that's a double reason for thinking BOG is the bearded guy in the film. ETAA Lola, your review was full of chewy goodness. Please forgive my not being more specific in my praise. Thanks, Jan! All the Hanso stuff is very intriguing, isn't it?
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