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Post by Squeemonster on Jan 19, 2006 1:00:43 GMT -5
How do you know for sure? You should try asking. ;D OK. I tried asking - but both poochies had fallen asleep. They tell me that unless Vincent's on screen, they're totally bored. #rofl1# That's so cute!! ;D
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Post by Matthew on Jan 19, 2006 1:15:42 GMT -5
I'd disagree on that, with the tenseness that they've been having. Confess it, yes, but not in the middle of the awkwardness and everything going on. They BOTH confessed to feel better in themselves, not out of concern for what the partner was feeling: While I agree he needed to tell her, I don't think that was the time: turns out the point was moot, but.... Once Sarah asked about Gabriela, I think the best thing for Jack to do was to be honest about what transpired. If he lied to her at that moment yet then tried to tell her about the kiss later, it'd have made kissing Gabriela seem even worse--after all, why would he not be upfront if it was ultimately just a mistake he instantly regretted? You could argue that, in a way, Gabriela represented Jack's professional world--the living embodiment of work as a man's mistress. So when he pulled away from her embrace, he was doing exactly what he told Sarah he wanted to do: he was deciding to try and be Jack the husband instead of Jack the doctor. I know I had another point I was going for, but a short night's sleep last night has started catching up with me in a serious way--I think all but 10 or so brain cells have officially packed it in for the night. I can definitely see justification behind that point of view: particularly with Gabriella representing his work as a mistress. But... I dunno. With how tense things were between them at the time, I don't think that she'd feel inclined to give him points for something bad he didn't do, so to speak: but then, her own actions kinda rendered my idea on it all kinda pointless, anyways. *shrug*
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Post by Matthew on Jan 19, 2006 1:27:51 GMT -5
Actually, yes, you do bring along the middle-aged Jonny Quest wannabe if he's the only tracker you have and he can also shoot well. And you leave the trigger-happy cop and the former Republican Guard behind because you can't leave the rest of your tribe bereft of soldiers if you and your posse don't return.
GAIL I didn't say not to bring Locke; I said to bring everybody! The castaways continue to do the equivalent of bringing a knife to a gun fight by rendering themselves outthought and outnumbered. As for your opinion of leaving a few valuable people behind, well....that rationale works better if they'd been informed of what was going on. They were not. If they're truly going to be on a war footing, Jack isn't the one to be in charge. I guess that was my major point. This is more Sayid-Ana-Lucia territory...which would certainly create an interesting dynamic. Definitely: if they are going to war, they need a war chief: one with experience. Ana or Sayid. Jack is a healer, even if he's had military experience: even though he's plucky and a fighter, he's not tactically inclined, so much. He's only the leader of the whole thing because he thinks fast in a crisis, and they all needed that at the time, the first few weeks: people will follow anyone who is acting confident and like he knows what he's doing, which Jack certainly did, at first. But he's had a pretty poor record of awareness of leadership responsibillities since then: even if he didn't WANT to be the leader, he IS the leader, and needed to act it more than he has. He's still playing "free agent" rather than "man with responsibilities" a lot of the time. He feels the weight of it, but he isn't.... the things that Hurley does to make life more life-like for the island: those are things that are part of the role of the Leader. Being confident, even if you don't feel it at all. You buck up, face the crowd, say brave words, then steal some tequila from Sawyer and go crawl into Ana-Lucia's lap and have your freak-fit there, as she's the ONLY one who has any idea what kind of crap he's under. Indeed agree that it was foolishness to go out in the unknown with a small party like that: either a large one, with all effectives going, or a small reconoiter/scout party with only their two best trackers in it. Not to bash Jack: I like the character a lot: he's very human, and his moments of grace are beautiful. I just.. I guess I'm still annoyed at him for destroying so much of their wealth in the funeral pyre in the middle section of the plane. ;D
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Post by RAKSHA on Jan 19, 2006 2:13:56 GMT -5
If they're truly going to be on a war footing, Jack isn't the one to be in charge. I guess that was my major point. This is more Sayid-Ana-Lucia territory...which would certainly create an interesting dynamic. Definitely: if they are going to war, they need a war chief: one with experience. Ana or Sayid. Jack is a healer, even if he's had military experience: even though he's plucky and a fighter, he's not tactically inclined, so much. He's only the leader of the whole thing because he thinks fast in a crisis, and they all needed that at the time, the first few weeks: people will follow anyone who is acting confident and like he knows what he's doing, which Jack certainly did, at first. But he's had a pretty poor record of awareness of leadership responsibillities since then: even if he didn't WANT to be the leader, he IS the leader, and needed to act it more than he has. He's still playing "free agent" rather than "man with responsibilities" a lot of the time. He feels the weight of it, but he isn't.... the things that Hurley does to make life more life-like for the island: those are things that are part of the role of the Leader. Being confident, even if you don't feel it at all. You buck up, face the crowd, say brave words, then steal some tequila from Sawyer and go crawl into Ana-Lucia's lap and have your freak-fit there, as she's the ONLY one who has any idea what kind of crap he's under. Indeed agree that it was foolishness to go out in the unknown with a small party like that: either a large one, with all effectives going, or a small reconoiter/scout party with only their two best trackers in it. Not to bash Jack: I like the character a lot: he's very human, and his moments of grace are beautiful. I just.. I guess I'm still annoyed at him for destroying so much of their wealth in the funeral pyre in the middle section of the plane. ;D Building an army from among our Lostaways will bring up a whole new can of worms, physically and spiritually. How will the leader, or leaders, be chosen? Will all the recruits be volunteers, or will they be forced to fight by threats of being cut off from food or whatever? Is it right to coerce others into forming a militia for the sake of two missing people? Who will make those decisions and do those people have the right to decide? Interesting moral choices ahead.
I personally think that the time for sitting around and gradually adapting to island life is over for the Lostaways - the Others have declared war by kidnapping one child from the Fronties, two and various adults from the Tailies. At the very minimum, some kind of defense is necessary.
I also think that Jack, as apparently the only doctor among the Lostaways, is too valuable a resource to be allowed to go leading raids against pirates and other dangerous missions. If he dies, what do the rest of the people do for medical care - Sun's herbal cures will help, but a medical doctor is desperately needed.
I would pick Sayid over Ana-Lucia as a war-leader any day. Stress turns her into a murderer, intentional in one case, accidental in another.
On another note, if they kill baby Aaron off next week, I may not continue to watch - there's only so much pain and loss I can endure in so-called "entertainment".
GAIL
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Post by Sara on Jan 19, 2006 9:19:35 GMT -5
Had a thought after seeing the previews:
Libby's a clinical psychologist. Hurley was in a mental institution for reasons still unknown to us. Things being what they are on the island, what are the chances they crossed paths?
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Post by Sharky on Jan 19, 2006 9:33:21 GMT -5
Fun! They're gonna "talk"! Heeee! Charlie and Hurley bonding over records. ;D Hurley and Libby, sittin' in a tree . . . "This music is quite depressing." Walt the "very special boy" is just fine, huh. Ah! These Other guys have been stranded here longer and think of the island as their home and they're just "defending" it. Hey! Maybe they are the abandoned scientists from the other bunker. Or just earlier castaways. And they're drawing a line in the sand. Wow! Jack steps up!! And, he's wrong. Or is he? Lots of torches, but . . . is someone holding each one? Oh crap - he/they have Kate. Well, you know they have to give in if he's gonna shoot someone right there. I don't think these are the same "Others" that were over by the Tailies. I think these are another group. I think the island is divided up into territories, each with its own society. Kate is really shook up. Well, a threatened death will do that to you. Or did something else happen? Did the guy say something to her? Or is it Pitcairn Island all over again? Any chance they're descendants of the pirates on the ship? Assuming both sexes were available...
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Post by Sharky on Jan 19, 2006 9:34:36 GMT -5
We knew the James before, but not the "Ford", I think. Jack's dad doesn't think Jack's can handle 'crossing the line'. ETA: What "right" does he have to tell Jack what he can or can't do? No, we knew the "Ford" part when he was being evicted from Australia... He's had a chip on his shoulder ever since his older brother got to play Han Solo.
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Post by Sharky on Jan 19, 2006 9:37:29 GMT -5
Kate needs to stop puppy-dogging Jack. Oh, that's such a cute little baby. Ana is a better match for Jack. She hasn't got the starry-eyed "you're my hero" thing going, and he's already had that with his wife. I think that's what he's rejecting in Kate. He knows if he's a white knight on a horse, he's eventually going to fall off the horse. There was something very "Faith-y" about Ana Lucia last night to me. A tilt of the head, the delivery of a line.... I dunno. But I did a doubletake to make sure I wasn't seeing Eliza Dushku.
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Post by Sharky on Jan 19, 2006 9:41:55 GMT -5
Purloined Letter is a Geronimo Jackson song? Does anyone know the lyrics? You all, ever'body! You all, ever'body! Actin' like you're stupid people, wearin' 'spensive clothes...No, wait, that's not it.. Please allow me to introduce myself I'm a man of wealth and taste. I've been around for long, long years. Laid many a man's soul to waste...Y'know, that doesn't seem right, either...
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Post by Sharky on Jan 19, 2006 9:45:23 GMT -5
Perhaps the castaways have finally learned an important lesson here: when you're headed into enemy territory, you don't do it with a surgeon, a middle-aged Johnny Quest wannabe and a wounded smartass. You bring every decent gun-hand you've got: Ana-Lucia, Sayid, Mr. Eko (if he were willing, which I doubt), Jin...and, yes, Kate. There was no decent reason to keep her from coming along. Also? I have a strong impression that Ethan might not have been affiliated with the Boat People (which I choose to call them, since I don't think they're the Others). In fact, I don't know if we've yet seen who Ethan was affiliated with at all. Whatever the case, I'm convinced there are multiple groups at work here, with various reasoning for their actions. Good point, but I don't see the outcome as being different. Well, except for the likelihood Ana Lucia would open fire and the hunting party would end up never being seen again. Still, that's the bunch I'd want to go up against The Others.
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Post by Sharky on Jan 19, 2006 9:47:36 GMT -5
That was a very powerful moment. Yeah, I agree, but here's Jack taking it on himself to fix things again.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 19, 2006 9:53:15 GMT -5
No, we knew the "Ford" part when he was being evicted from Australia... He's had a chip on his shoulder ever since his older brother got to play Han Solo. That explains A LOT.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 19, 2006 10:51:13 GMT -5
That was a very powerful moment. Yeah, I agree, but here's Jack taking it on himself to fix things again. But he's trying to make it a group effort not a lone wolf thing. Consulting with Ana-Lucia and planning to bring everyone (for real everyone, I hope) in on it and so forth.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Jan 19, 2006 10:55:40 GMT -5
More damn loose threads. They're never going to get this thing properly tied up, ever.
I liked Sun and Jin - interesting contrast to Jack and Sarah - Sun and Jin are communicating, Jack and Sarah didn't until it was several miles past too late.
I thought for a minute there that big beardy dude was Jack's father, too.
Is it just me, or did anyone else get the impression that Big and Beardy didn't know who Ethan was? It seemed (at the time) as if he was just bluffing about that.
Jack might be avoiding Kate, just a little, because of Sawyer/Ford and his "I love her". Which, by the way, Sawyer doesn't seem to remember saying - must have been the delirium. Besides, now there's Ana-Lucia.
I thought Eddie Poe wrote "Purloined Letter".
Jack is going to war. How... Buffy of him.
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Post by fish1941 on Jan 19, 2006 13:55:21 GMT -5
After watching this episode, I could finally see why Sarah had eventually cheated on Jack and left him. Their marriage . . . it seemed so antiseptic. Dead. There is nothing more sad than watching two people unable to communicate with each other. I can't help but wonder why they had decided to get married in the first place. Had Sarah been somewhat grateful toward Jack for saving her life and giving her a chance to walk again? Because he had "fixed" her? And had Jack married her because he had believed that he could fix more than just her legs? Remember . . . he had met Sarah's fiancé when she was in the hospital.
And looking at Kate, she strongly reminded me of Sarah in a way. Both women have that quiet, "classy" aura about them. Both needed their lives fixed. Sarah needed her legs and romantic life fixed. Kate needed her life fixed after spending so many years as a fugitive. And in a way, one would see that Jack had done just that for Kate, as well. Around the time of Flight 815's plane crash, she was a fugitive being escorted back to the States - something that didn't take Jack very long to find out. But instead of ostracizing her, Jack "fixed" Kate's life by helping her become a respected member of the island's community. And it is possible that she is very grateful. But I do think that Jack sees Kate's connection with Sawyer as a sign that she, like Sarah, might betray him in the end. And if you think about it, he really doesn't have a right to think this way, considering that he and Kate are not "officially" a couple.
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Granted, I'm not a big Kate fan and I was puzzled about why she had insisted upon following Jack, Locke and Sawyer. But if you look at her past history on the island, she had always took part on some of the major issues or events. So, it is not hard to understand why she had expected to be included in this particular expedition.
But what I found even more puzzling was Jack's insistence that she stay behind. WHY? He never had any problems with allowing her to accompany him on such expeditions before. Why did he insist upon her staying behind, this time? He could have easily asked Hurley, Charlie or any of the other castaways to tend to the button. But he didn't. He told Kate to stay behind. In fact, he practically yelled at her to do so. Why?
By the way, isn't the guy who played the Bearded Man, the same actor who played Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane in the recent DUKES OF HAZZARD movie?
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