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Post by Pixi on May 18, 2006 9:25:51 GMT -5
Okay - I buy these interpretations and I can go with it. I still see it as quite a huge jump in character interpretation. I've been sleep deprived. Seriously sleep deprived when I was working all day and stuffing newspapers and delivering them all night. I would fall asleep if I sat down for any length of time and I was very emotional all the time (hee, hee - probably guessed that one).
I don't recall any murderous thoughts coming up.
I get what everyone is saying and I agree with you Sara - he is only thinking of his goal now - retrieving his son. But how do you suddenly not have any feelings for everyone else? How do you kill innocent people, especially after the scene with Ana - Lucia?
I just think morally we needed something else in his background, or something to indicate this is the Island - something that helps me make this mental jump. Can you really go that crazy that easily when you've never shown any indications before?
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 18, 2006 9:30:22 GMT -5
Sayid is the Lostie's Planetary Voice of Reason. This week, yes. Next week, who knows?
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Post by Rachael on May 18, 2006 9:47:21 GMT -5
Last night I found interesting, because it's clear that The Others have an interest in Walt that has to do with his psychic powers (whatever they are), and also - they know EXACTLY who was on that plane. Right down to Sawyer's real name. Which I find fascinating.
And I was so very relieved about Sayid. Someone, anyone, noticing that Michael's logic did not resemble our Earth logic. I mean, we know he shot Ana-Lucia and Libby, so we've got built-in suspicion...but taking Hurley and NOT Sayid on a supposed raid? No one, unless they were severely emotionally messed up or else setting you up, would think that was a good choice.
Jack disappointed me greatly with his concession to the "We do this MY way!" hysteria, too. No, we don't. Because you are clearly freaking out. If we're gonna go do something warlike, as Sawyer says, consult the guy who was maybe IN a war....
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Post by Rachael on May 18, 2006 9:54:33 GMT -5
Man, I just don't see how Michael is going to get past killing LIbby and Ana Lucia. That's the way I feel. I mean - yea, wants to save son and all but he's just a murderer now to me. I'm trying to care, really I am but . . . . . . I knew Sayid wasn't buying any of this. Go Sayid. I agree with you (and also with others): Michael is just a murderer to me. I don't know why this isn't working for me, though. I mean, on Alias, I've watched characters murder their friends/loved ones for a "greater cause" or to protect their child, and managed to still like the character. It's not happening here. It may be that he's just so clearly nutso now. An insane man who kills people that trust him. I just don't know...I don't think I'd kill to get my child back. I can't say. I think I'd kill to protect my child from obvious bodily harm...but I don't know about this situation. It's in a gray area. Not only did he kill two people in cold blood, but then he went on to trade four other people for his kid. I just don't know.
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Post by Rob on May 18, 2006 10:05:40 GMT -5
And I was so very relieved about Sayid. Someone, anyone, noticing that Michael's logic did not resemble our Earth logic. I mean, we know he shot Ana-Lucia and Libby, so we've got built-in suspicion...but taking Hurley and NOT Sayid on a supposed raid? No one, unless they were severely emotionally messed up or else setting you up, would think that was a good choice. Jack disappointed me greatly with his concession to the "We do this MY way!" hysteria, too. No, we don't. Because you are clearly freaking out. If we're gonna go do something warlike, as Sawyer says, consult the guy who was maybe IN a war.... I'd take Sayid over any of the four Michael wanted to bring along, actually. And I agree, it seemed very strange for Jack to be unsuspicious of Michael's behavior.
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Post by fish1941 on May 18, 2006 10:14:51 GMT -5
What is going on with the writers of LOST? It seems as if in regard to characterization, their brains have taken a left detour.
In their effort to get rid of Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros' characters, the writers seemed to be re-writing the other characters. Sawyer mourning Ana-Lucia's death? Jack acting like he never really cared about her? Eko is now manning the computer in the hatch. And I'm still confused over Michael's real reason for killing the two women. Did he kill them to help Henry escape or to encourage the other Lostaways to go after the Others? Apparently, it seems that he really didn’t have to do either. So why did he do it?
And hasn’t anyone been suspicious over why Charlie had a gun back in “The Whole Truth”?
What is going on?
Jack, Sawyer, Kate, and Hurley are portrayed by four of the five top stars of the show. This is the writers’ way of centering the show around the Golden Five. This means that the other cast members – aside from Terry O’Quinn - will be pushed further and further into the background in future seasons.
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Post by Rachael on May 18, 2006 15:47:12 GMT -5
"I screwed her." So romantic! Accurate, though. There was no love there. It's somewhat debatable that there was even "like". More like he was seduced by someone looking to steal from him. Karma?
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 18, 2006 16:11:56 GMT -5
"I screwed her." So romantic! Accurate, though. There was no love there. It's somewhat debatable that there was even "like". More like he was seduced by someone looking to steal from him. Karma? Could be. Sawyer did seem to be taking Ana-Lucia's death harder than I'd expect.
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Post by Rachael on May 18, 2006 16:18:10 GMT -5
And I was so very relieved about Sayid. Someone, anyone, noticing that Michael's logic did not resemble our Earth logic. I mean, we know he shot Ana-Lucia and Libby, so we've got built-in suspicion...but taking Hurley and NOT Sayid on a supposed raid? No one, unless they were severely emotionally messed up or else setting you up, would think that was a good choice. Jack disappointed me greatly with his concession to the "We do this MY way!" hysteria, too. No, we don't. Because you are clearly freaking out. If we're gonna go do something warlike, as Sawyer says, consult the guy who was maybe IN a war.... I'd take Sayid over any of the four Michael wanted to bring along, actually. And I agree, it seemed very strange for Jack to be unsuspicious of Michael's behavior. Sayid...Sawyer...Jack...and possibly Jin would be my selection if I had to choose me a posse. And Michael, but only because he'd need to be the guide. I wouldn't actually want the freaked out father along on the rescue mission.
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Post by Rachael on May 18, 2006 16:28:19 GMT -5
Accurate, though. There was no love there. It's somewhat debatable that there was even "like". More like he was seduced by someone looking to steal from him. Karma? Could be. Sawyer did seem to be taking Ana-Lucia's death harder than I'd expect. To me, it felt more like guilt and generalized being tired of having no real connections in the world than it felt like real grief. If he hadn't screwed her, that gun wouldn't have made it into the hatch. And no matter who pulled the trigger, that means that Ana-Lucia and Libby would still be alive if it wasn't for Sawyer. Doesn't make it his fault, but it does make for some lovely guilt. And he DOES like Hurley, whether he admits it or not. I think he's transferring guilt and sadness over how Hurley feels to his not-really-all-that-serious feelings for Ana-Lucia. On a different note: am I the only one displeased by Charlie's disposal of the heroin? Heroin, in the hands of a medical professional, is a very useful drug. They're short on painkillers and sedatives as it is. First Charlie is irresponsible enough to give an unknown vaccine to Claire instead of Jack...and then he disposes of the only good supply of opiates on the island.
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Post by fish1941 on May 18, 2006 16:31:00 GMT -5
Why? It doesn't make any sense. Between the beginning of "Abandoned" and the time they had sex in "Two For the Road", they had NOT INTERACTED with each other. And we're talking about at least fourteen episodes.
In "Two For the Road", Ana-Lucia had sex with Sawyer, so that she could get his gun. And he eventually realized this and called her a "b*tch".
So, I ask you - why on earth would Sawyer get emotional over Ana-Lucia's death? There is no reason for him to do so. Why is it that Sawyer becomes emotional and Jack acts as if Ana-Lucia was a near stranger? So we can forget about the writers' previous plans for a Jack/Ana relationship?
And why are so many fans forgetting the fact that Sawyer has no real reason to react to Ana-Lucia's death, the way he did?
Apparently, the writers have forgotten about another gun - the one that Charlie had acquired, when he helped Sawyer with the con job, back in "The Long Con". Neither Ana-Lucia, Sayid or Jack never asked about it. Why?
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 18, 2006 16:36:08 GMT -5
Could be. Sawyer did seem to be taking Ana-Lucia's death harder than I'd expect. To me, it felt more like guilt and generalized being tired of having no real connections in the world than it felt like real grief. If he hadn't screwed her, that gun wouldn't have made it into the hatch. And no matter who pulled the trigger, that means that Ana-Lucia and Libby would still be alive if it wasn't for Sawyer. Doesn't make it his fault, but it does make for some lovely guilt. And he DOES like Hurley, whether he admits it or not. I think he's transferring guilt and sadness over how Hurley feels to his not-really-all-that-serious feelings for Ana-Lucia. On a different note: am I the only one displeased by Charlie's disposal of the heroin? Heroin, in the hands of a medical professional, is a very useful drug. They're short on painkillers and sedatives as it is. First Charlie is irresponsible enough to give an unknown vaccine to Claire instead of Jack...and then he disposes of the only good supply of opiates on the island. Well said. As for Charlie, he doesn't seem like someone who plans ahead. I think he just wanted to get the stuff as far away as possible, so he wouldn't be tempted. There's probably more back in the wreckage of the plane anyway.
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Post by fish1941 on May 18, 2006 16:42:01 GMT -5
Why is it that Jack never bothered to ask Ana or Sayid how they got a gun, back in "Dave" or "S.O.S."
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Post by Squeemonster on May 18, 2006 16:44:33 GMT -5
Could be. Sawyer did seem to be taking Ana-Lucia's death harder than I'd expect. On a different note: am I the only one displeased by Charlie's disposal of the heroin? Heroin, in the hands of a medical professional, is a very useful drug. They're short on painkillers and sedatives as it is. First Charlie is irresponsible enough to give an unknown vaccine to Claire instead of Jack...and then he disposes of the only good supply of opiates on the island. Oh, heck no! Wendy and I both screamed, "what the hell are you doing?!" when he threw it into the ocean. I don't understand how anyone in their right mind could feel that it's okay to dispose of/destroy anything on the island, no matter how inconsequential or dangerous it may seem. It was selfish, IMHO. You need to be able to face your demons down, especially when they're right in front of you. IMHO.
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Post by Rachael on May 18, 2006 17:00:46 GMT -5
On a different note: am I the only one displeased by Charlie's disposal of the heroin? Heroin, in the hands of a medical professional, is a very useful drug. They're short on painkillers and sedatives as it is. First Charlie is irresponsible enough to give an unknown vaccine to Claire instead of Jack...and then he disposes of the only good supply of opiates on the island. Oh, heck no! Wendy and I both screamed, "what the hell are you doing?!" when he threw it into the ocean. I don't understand how anyone in their right mind could feel that it's okay to dispose of/destroy anything on the island, no matter how inconsequential or dangerous it may seem. It was selfish, IMHO. You need to be able to face your demons down, especially when they're right in front of you. IMHO. This is what I'm sayin'. Anne has a point, as well - that this is Charlie. The not planning ahead, the selfishness. So, to be expected, maybe. He shoulda given them to Jack, clearly.
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