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Post by Matthew on May 2, 2007 23:04:24 GMT -5
So, I'm thinkin' it's pretty likely Locke's dad is Sawyer's Sawyer. Why else bring James all the way out there? Yeah, I was pretty certain of that, myself, a couple of minutes into the episode. I very much liked that Sawyer puked his guts out, despite having fulfilled a burning need for justice and revenge he's felt for most of his life. When he dropped the envelope to the floor, I thought, "well, yeah, he won't be needing it anymore, will he?" Heh... Rousseau. "Dynamite. You?" "Brig-usage" "Well, have a good torture!" "Have fun blowing something up! I find it very theraputic, myself." So is anyone else feeling... a little askance, that the Crazy French Lady has dynamite? And I think Juliet and Jack are cahooting: that's the secret that Juliet wants to share with her one true woobie Kate there on the beach, when Jack says it's not time yet. Ben needs to be.. oh, I can't THINK of anything bad enough to do to Benry. But he needs it done to him. Twice. And that stretch of I-10? As I recall, it's sorta sparse on Jersey Barriers. I'll ask my brother tomorrow: he drives it every day to and from work. Eh. I'm picking at gnats: LockeDaddy could always have hit an off-ramp dividing barrier or something. GOLLY but what a fantastic episode!!!! Woohoo! *can't wait 'till next week* *Is all eager and stuff, to see what else is up, because they've blown up half the interesting stuff on the Island, already.* *Is hoping that J.J goes for a full fourth season and isn't distracted by some other bright shiny object* |
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Post by Matthew on May 2, 2007 23:05:24 GMT -5
Just a side thought, but I really can't wait to see what CFL is going to do with the dynamite. I see a big mother/daughter reunion coming soon.  Bwahahaha!! *snerks* PERFECT! |
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Post by Lola m on May 2, 2007 23:06:19 GMT -5
They have improved this show so much over the last 6 episodes. I am so thrilled. This was another winner of an episode. Very dark. I like the funny ones but this one was more on the dark side. Dark, but I like how they still get the funny lines or moments too - sometimes black humor, which is also great. They're getting better with mixing them, something I prefer in my shows. Me too! I understand that they needed the Other background for the story they are telling now. But I still think they could have tightened it up more in the earlier eps. Included more back and forth with the beach people and the Others, etc. Heee! And James Marsters too. I'm still waiting for him to show up as the wacky half-nekkid island native, siding with the Plane folk against the dastardly Others.  |
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Post by Lola m on May 2, 2007 23:08:37 GMT -5
So. Just on the off chance that I end up looking really smart (  ), I'm going to share an email I sent last week to a Lost podcast I listen to:
As I've been listening to your discussions of Jack and Juliet the past couple of weeks, it seems to me there's a possibility you haven't given much consideration to: namely, that they could be working together to fool Ben. Yeah, yeah, I know. But please, hear me out:
For one, doesn't it seem a little strange that Jack was still unconscious when Kate and Juliet returns to the Others' little Stepford village? 'Cause if they were exposed to the same amount of knockout gas at roughly the same time, then why wasn't he awake yet? In fact, if anything he should have woken up sooner than she; after all, he's got more body mass than Kate and at that point was likely better fed and rested as well——meaning his system should have metabolized the chemicals faster than hers.
Granted, I seem to recall seeing two gas canisters near where Kate found him. But even if he did get a double dosage, it still seems to me he was unconscious for far longer than twice the amount of time Kate was; after all, we saw Kate and Juliet travel for the better part of an afternoon, hole up to hide from Smokey overnight, and then continue traveling for a couple of hours the next morning. And since it's December, it was likely dark for eleven hours or so. So to me, it just seems like a lot of time for Jack to have been out, much less still be so far under that Kate had to work to wake him up.
Second, there's the brief conversation Jack and Juliet as they headed back to the Losties camp. When she told Jack she'd "dragged Kate into the jungle, handcuffed myself to her and lied about it," Jack didn't seem at all surprised by this information. One could argue that Kate told him what happened, of course. But Juliet certainly didn't sound like she thought she was confessing something, nor was she surprised that he wasn't surprised by the revelation. So either she knew Kate had told him and was trying to seem more trustworthy by being up front about it—which a) expects us to assume a lot of information sharing/gathering took place offscreen and b) still should have caused Juliet to at least pretend to be surprised Jack already knew, since she was also pretending she didn't realize he'd been told—or they were discussing something that was already familiar to both of them.
Finally, there's Juliet herself. When she was confronted by Sayid and Sawyer, she went into that ultra-calm mode she's used before, shutting down any visible sign of emotion and speaking in a fairly flat, matter-of-fact tone. If we presume that's her usual method of getting through a situation without giving away any secrets, then I find it interesting to note she was behaving and speaking the exact same way when Ben was going over the plan with her.
Oh, and my final reason for thinking Juliet's not a mole? The fact that neither Cuse or Damon are behaving, despite having many opportunities during their podcasts to do so, as if her allegiance is still up in the air. That strikes me as more than a little suspicious, as usually they're more than happy to string the viewers along by adding an element of doubt to any situation that appears certain both on the show and in interviews. Benry's impersonation of Henry Gale is probably the best example——they kept us wondering about him for weeks, which only added to the tension when watching him interacting with the Losties. Why not do the same for Juliet? Why tell us from the start that she's up to no good? So it seems like a classic case of misdirection to me.
So here's what I think happened: when the village was gassed, Juliet went to Jack's place and either revived him or shared her gas mask with him until the gas had dispersed. She then told Jack about Ben's plan to use her as a mole, knowing that with most of the Others on the move it was their best chance to have an unmonitored conversation. And now they're both playing their parts: Jack's pretending to be smitten and naive, starting with "waking up" and asking about Juliet virtually right off the bat, and Juliet's acting as if she has every intention of going through with Ben's assignment——both of them working off the assumption that Ben has a way of keeping tabs on their actions and behavior, meaning they have to keep up the facade 24/7. Well, we already knew you were the smarty pants woman. |
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Post by Lola m on May 2, 2007 23:11:50 GMT -5
They have improved this show so much over the last 6 episodes. I am so thrilled. This was another winner of an episode. Very dark. I like the funny ones but this one was more on the dark side. Juliette and Jack are definitely in cahoots on something. I still got to believe she is setting Ben up. And I am calling it now, I beleive Juliette will shoot and kill Ben. I hate it is getting so good and now there is only 3 episodes left. I wish it had been this damn good all year long. They almost lost me earlier this year, I am glad I stuck it out. Now they need to drop Nathan Fillion on the Island. That would be a great addition to the cast. Oh, yeah. I like that idea. Cuse and Lindeloff wrote this episode, and you can really tell it. Can't wait to see how it all fits together. But - what the heck is Danielle up to with the dynamite? You don't suppose she is working with Jack and Juliette on some scheme? Or, as Sara mentioned to me, maybe she's on a mission of her own - to rescue her daughter. ETA: I see you guys discussed this above. I shouldn't start at the end of the thread and read backwards.  So, the helicopter that Naomi got dropped had taken off of a ship. That explains how it was able to reach the island. Locke's dad thought he was in hell. Well, he is now for sure. **snicker** Yeah, that was rather disturbing.  And Sawyer was just so wrecked by it. And Locke . . . so uncaring. He got what he wanted, without having to mess up his Karma - or so he thinks - and then he just brushes them all off. Somehow, I don't think that because his hands didn't do the deed that they aren't just as stained as Sawyer's are. Heck, maybe more. |
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Post by Lola m on May 2, 2007 23:13:26 GMT -5
They have improved this show so much over the last 6 episodes. I am so thrilled. This was another winner of an episode. Very dark. I like the funny ones but this one was more on the dark side. Juliette and Jack are definitely in cahoots on something. I still got to believe she is setting Ben up. And I am calling it now, I beleive Juliette will shoot and kill Ben. I hate it is getting so good and now there is only 3 episodes left. I wish it had been this damn good all year long. They almost lost me earlier this year, I am glad I stuck it out. Now they need to drop Nathan Fillion on the Island. That would be a great addition to the cast. OMG. That would be perfection.  A whole new plane-load of half-nekkid hotties could crash, perhaps. That would be fun! |
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Post by Lola m on May 2, 2007 23:14:11 GMT -5
Oh, yeah. I like that idea. Cuse and Lindeloff wrote this episode, and you can really tell it. Can't wait to see how it all fits together. But - what the heck is Danielle up to with the dynamite? You don't suppose she is working with Jack and Juliette on some scheme? Or, as Sara mentioned to me, maybe she's on a mission of her own - to rescue her daughter. ETA: I see you guys discussed this above. I shouldn't start at the end of the thread and read backwards. So, the helicopter that Naomi got dropped had taken off of a ship. That explains how it was able to reach the island. Locke's dad thought he was in hell. Well, he is now for sure. I am so pissed at Locke for setting Sawyer up like that. I didn't like watching Sawyer kill Locke's dad. It was very .... dark and raw. It really was dark and raw. A very disturbing scene. Poor Sawyer. And dude! I didn't know Sawyer was from Jasper, Alabama. I've been to Jasper (not that I remember anything about it ). It's only like an hour and a half away from here. And this coincidence can only mean one thing--Josh Holloway and I belong together. Not forever, necessarily; I think one weekend would do the trick. ;D OMG, that's, like, a sign! For sure! |
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Post by Matthew on May 2, 2007 23:16:33 GMT -5
The Desmond crew turn to Sayid as their trusted guy. Smart move. He'd be my choice as well. Naomi (oy, enough with the biblical names already!) says the helicopter came from a ship, working for Penelope, (like we thought), etc. etc. Interesting that the plane was discovered way under the ocean. So, yeah, tapes of the plane and bodies could have been faked. And Sayid doesn't just take her at her word, he questions her as well. Yes! This is why Sayid is the clever one. And frankly, even though it fits with what we know about Penelope and all, I still don't rule out the idea that she is just another Other scam. "Remind me not to rescue you, Sayid." Heee! ;D Hmmmm. It's not Locke's place to say what's coming. Yeah. You just like pulling people's chains and what not. Ah. The pretty little Other tents. **begins singing, Little tents, on the hillside, little tents made of ticky tacky . . . la la la** Ahem. It's time . . . time to (cue dramatic music) Kill Daddy! John Locke, come onnnnn down! Daddy taunts him. (Bright move there, sparky. ) Ben goads him. (Um. Working your own issues, there, eh?) The crowd gathers (and that's just creepy). This is supposed to free him, blah blah blah. But he don't do it and so Benry whacks the guy instead. Hmmmm. Hang tough, Locke. You know it will wreck your "good" status with the Island Monster if you croak him. That's why Benry wants you to do it. "He's not who we thought he was." Wait a minute. You guys all thought he was some kind of magical Island Priest to re-start up with mystical sacrifices to the four toed God again, didn't you? Heee! Suckers. Interesting. Locke took him to the Black Rock ship. Which Sawyer has never seen . . . (casts back memory to first season . . . ) Heee! "What's in the boxes?" (slaps them) "That'd be dynamite." Ooops! Don't want another Artz incident here. Interesting. Locke keeps calling him James. He's goading him like Benry and Daddy kept goading him at the sacrificial pillar thing. Aaaaand Sawyer falls for the trap. Which is not to kill Benry, but to kill Daddy (who, yes of course will end up being Sawyer's actual Sawyer, like Locke doesn't know all about that). So, Locke can do what he and Benry want, kill his daddy, and yet not get any of the icky patricidal blood on his hands. See, Island Monster, I should still be allowed to walk! I really really want Yola to be the new host for "The Price Is Right" |
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Post by Lola m on May 2, 2007 23:18:51 GMT -5
So, I'm thinkin' it's pretty likely Locke's dad is Sawyer's Sawyer. Why else bring James all the way out there? Yeah, I was pretty certain of that, myself, a couple of minutes into the episode. I very much liked that Sawyer puked his guts out, despite having fulfilled a burning need for justice and revenge he's felt for most of his life. **nods** Shows us that he's more complex than just revenge guy.  Heeee! Wasn't that just perfect? Like they were meeting up at the corner store and catching up or something. And he was whittling!! OMG, how perfect was that? He . . . he actually deserves to have Locke oust him and replace him, actually. That would just destroy him, I think. ;D Oooh, but there's still so many exciting places yet to be blown up! |
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Post by Squeemonster on May 2, 2007 23:22:17 GMT -5
Just a side thought, but I really can't wait to see what CFL is going to do with the dynamite. I see a big mother/daughter reunion coming soon. Oh, what an excellent thought! That would be sooooo wicked cool! ;D See, as much as I really want to see a mother/daughter reunion, I kind of like imagining Rousseau just using it for random, meaningless chores. Coming by to pick it up, sort of like she's marking it off her shopping list . . . "Gather wood: Check. Set trap for supper: Check. Pick up another box of dynamite: Check. Make bed: Check. Use dynamite to blast through wall of cave to make bedroom seem more open and airy: Check . . . ." And did that scene between her and Locke remind anyone of the Buffy and Amy scene... "Hi Amy, how've you been?" "Rat. You?" "Dead." ;D |
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Post by Matthew on May 2, 2007 23:25:46 GMT -5
Oh, what an excellent thought! That would be sooooo wicked cool! ;D See, as much as I really want to see a mother/daughter reunion, I kind of like imagining Rousseau just using it for random, meaningless chores. Coming by to pick it up, sort of like she's marking it off her shopping list . . . "Gather wood: Check. Set trap for supper: Check. Pick up another box of dynamite: Check. Make bed: Check. Use dynamite to blast through wall of cave to make bedroom seem more open and airy: Check . . . ." And did that scene between her and Locke remind anyone of the Buffy and Amy scene... "Hi Amy, how've you been?" "Rat. You?" "Dead." ;DSO so much!!!!! And on Rousseau's intentions. |
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Post by Karen on May 2, 2007 23:30:00 GMT -5
Locke? Is a total bastard. Complete and total bastard. Yep indeedy. Which means he's the perfect guy to step into Benry's shoes someday.  |
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Post by Matthew on May 2, 2007 23:31:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I was pretty certain of that, myself, a couple of minutes into the episode. I very much liked that Sawyer puked his guts out, despite having fulfilled a burning need for justice and revenge he's felt for most of his life. **nods** Shows us that he's more complex than just revenge guy. Heeee! Wasn't that just perfect? Like they were meeting up at the corner store and catching up or something. And he was whittling!! OMG, how perfect was that? He . . . he actually deserves to have Locke oust him and replace him, actually. That would just destroy him, I think. ;D Oooh, but there's still so many exciting places yet to be blown up! "John Locke needs your vote in the January 2005 Craphole Island Others Election! He'll run on a platform of miracles and a total lack of spiritual or ethical ambiguity! Getting your karmic crap done and the blood sacrifices you need executed, without muss or fuss for you!" Paid for by John Locke for warrior-shaman-chieftan of the Four-Toed God campaign. |
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Post by Karen on May 2, 2007 23:33:09 GMT -5
Oh, what an excellent thought! That would be sooooo wicked cool! ;D
See, as much as I really want to see a mother/daughter reunion, I kind of like imagining Rousseau just using it for random, meaningless chores. Coming by to pick it up, sort of like she's marking it off her shopping list . . . "Gather wood: Check. Set trap for supper: Check. Pick up another box of dynamite: Check. Make bed: Check. Use dynamite to blast through wall of cave to make bedroom seem more open and airy: Check . . . ." And did that scene between her and Locke remind anyone of the Buffy and Amy scene... "Hi Amy, how've you been?" "Rat. You?" "Dead." ;D LOL! That is a frickin' hilarious idea! And it's probably exactly what the writers are doing to us. Didn't think of Buffy/Amy at the time, but I can so totally see that comparison. |
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Post by Sara on May 3, 2007 8:05:29 GMT -5
Oh, what an excellent thought! That would be sooooo wicked cool! ;D See, as much as I really want to see a mother/daughter reunion, I kind of like imagining Rousseau just using it for random, meaningless chores. Coming by to pick it up, sort of like she's marking it off her shopping list . . . "Gather wood: Check. Set trap for supper: Check. Pick up another box of dynamite: Check. Make bed: Check. Use dynamite to blast through wall of cave to make bedroom seem more open and airy: Check . . . ." And did that scene between her and Locke remind anyone of the Buffy and Amy scene... "Hi Amy, how've you been?" "Rat. You?" "Dead." ;D Words cannot describe how much I loved this post, Monnie. ;D |
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), I'm going to share an email I sent last week to a Lost podcast I listen to: 
And Sawyer was just so wrecked by it. 
