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Post by Karen on May 26, 2007 21:20:40 GMT -5
You were right - no one came to see the person in the coffin - except for Jack. Also, when the funeral director asked if Jack was friend or family, Jack said "either". Weird, huh? I thought he said "neither." With all his drunken rambling it's hard to tell. ETA: Yep. That's why I keep the closed captioning on. I rewatched a few times, and it looks to me like he says - either.
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Post by SpringSummers on May 26, 2007 21:46:21 GMT -5
I thought he said that no one attended, or came to visit. But I don't have it taped and don't remember for sure. That's quite a song. I've never heard of it before. You were right - no one came to see the person in the coffin - except for Jack. Also, when the funeral director asked if Jack was friend or family, Jack said "either". Weird, huh? I thought he said "neither."
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Post by SpringSummers on May 26, 2007 21:48:32 GMT -5
I thought he said "neither." With all his drunken rambling it's hard to tell. ETA: Yep. That's why I keep the closed captioning on. I rewatched a few times, and it looks to me like he says - either. Either either or neither, or either? Whoops. I left my little doggie outside too long. I can hear him barking in protest. Better go get him. Banana bread is in the oven! I do not like it, but my son will eat it all up.
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Post by KMInfinity on May 28, 2007 8:07:32 GMT -5
So, most of my 8th graders watch Lost. Normally I don't let them sidetrack me from the all-powerfull Algebra, but Friday was their last day, and they were signing yearbooks, etc. And we had a major Lost-discussion roundtable. Really fun. Some of their opinions~ 1. Charlie can't be dead. He's a favorite character of most of them, both girls and boys. The teen girls have a crush! So they're in denial. They actually have reasoning: The porthole that Mikhail blew out was only partway up the wall. The water should have filled the room to the porthole only, leaving an air pocket at the top. It's been awhile since I've had water physics - like, since high school. Does this make sense? 2. The flashforward was Locke's vision. It didn't really happen yet. The show will NOT pick up after the rescue and "flip" to being about "lost souls" in society trying to make it back to the idyllic island they didn't appreciate. Most of them gagged at such a scenario and said they'd stop watching if that were the case. Corollary to #2. They do not believe the losties will ever be rescued, except maybe on the series finale. 3. Jacob ~ The class is evenly split on this one. a. Jacob doesn't exist. It's merely Ben being manipulative. Proponents of this theory gave multiple examples of times when Ben has lied or manipulated. b. Jacob is some kind of warped manifestation of Ben's subconscious. One of my little darlings even made the comparison that Ben-Jacob is like Nikki-Jessica. (I teach some cool kids.) 4. Most do NOT like Jack. The few who did think he's scum because of Juliet. 5. Most of them do NOT like Sawyer. (What, are they nuts?) The boys think he's a jerk, and the girls think he's creepy. 6. They really like Hurley and Jin and Sayid. 7. About half think the island is in an alternate reality where people are being tested to see if they're good or evil. Could be spiritual/could be aliens. The other half think the island is still being run by the Dharma people as a giant experiment.
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Post by SpringSummers on May 28, 2007 9:04:03 GMT -5
So, most of my 8th graders watch Lost. Normally I don't let them sidetrack me from the all-powerfull Algebra, but Friday was their last day, and they were signing yearbooks, etc. And we had a major Lost-discussion roundtable. Really fun. Some of their opinions~ 1. Charlie can't be dead. He's a favorite character of most of them, both girls and boys. The teen girls have a crush! So they're in denial. They actually have reasoning: The porthole that Mikhail blew out was only partway up the wall. The water should have filled the room to the porthole only, leaving an air pocket at the top. It's been awhile since I've had water physics - like, since high school. Does this make sense? The water will fill the whole place up. It was already over top of the portal when last we saw Charlie, wasn't it? As Spike once said to Riley: "Sorry, Charlie." I agree that Season #3 will NOT be about "The Losties after rescue." I don't think they are going to get rescued. Don't know what the reasoning will be, I mean, Locke's vision is as good a theory as any, I don't really have a theory . . . but no way they are going to off-island for Season 3. Nikki-Jessica? I don't know who that is. Jacob - I get the feeling that he is for real, even though yes, Ben may use him and lie about him, in order to manipulate others. I don't get the Juliet thing either, but I'm not sure we're through with that story. I mean - there may be an explanation there, for why he is handling that as he is handling it. I mean - it did work out for everyone after all. He got her to "turn," which may have been his motivation all along. Who knows. Jack is kind of a sad sack, and I wish he would perk up and stop being so angsty, but mostly, he is a good guy. Well, of course, Sawyer is a jerk. He's not JUST a jerk, he has good qualities and he's drop dead gorgeous. But it is a good thing that 8th grade girls would think a guy like him is creepy. They are unblinded by the desire to roll around in the sand with him all wet and shirtless (that's both me and Sawyer). Of course. I think the Island is a place that somehow . . . exaggerates and enhances the reality we all experience, the way we all get reality to bend to desire, usually in more figurative ways. So it would test you all right. It would show you what you're all about. You have interesting eighth graders!
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Post by KMInfinity on May 28, 2007 10:55:26 GMT -5
But it is a good thing that 8th grade girls would think a guy like him is creepy. They are unblinded by the desire to roll around in the sand with him all wet and shirtless (that's both of me and Sawyer). LOL - Yes, it a good thing they don't appreciate Sawyer. I realized this when I stuttered trying to explain to them WHY I love Sawyer. I explained I liked his complexity, and the theme of redemption centered on him.
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Post by Vlad on May 28, 2007 12:45:12 GMT -5
But it is a good thing that 8th grade girls would think a guy like him is creepy. They are unblinded by the desire to roll around in the sand with him all wet and shirtless (that's both of me and Sawyer). LOL - Yes, it a good thing they don't appreciate Sawyer. I realized this when I stuttered trying to explain to them WHY I love Sawyer. I explained I liked his complexity, and the theme of redemption centered on him. Hey now... I like Sawyer. In fact, he may be right about my favorite character, tied with Locke. And it certainly has nothing to do with any desire to roll around in the sand with either of them shirtless. I think. Oh God, do I need counseling? Vlad
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Post by SpringSummers on May 28, 2007 14:50:16 GMT -5
LOL - Yes, it a good thing they don't appreciate Sawyer. I realized this when I stuttered trying to explain to them WHY I love Sawyer. I explained I liked his complexity, and the theme of redemption centered on him. Hey now... I like Sawyer. In fact, he may be right about my favorite character, tied with Locke. And it certainly has nothing to do with any desire to roll around in the sand with either of them shirtless. I think. Oh God, do I need counseling? Vlad Oh, I like Sawyer too. He and Sayid are by far my favorites. But I mean, I can't really argue with someone who calls him a jerk, as he has done many, many jerky things. But I like him loads. And not just for the dimples and such. The character is great and well portrayed.
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Post by Sara on May 28, 2007 19:55:33 GMT -5
So, most of my 8th graders watch Lost. Normally I don't let them sidetrack me from the all-powerfull Algebra, but Friday was their last day, and they were signing yearbooks, etc. And we had a major Lost-discussion roundtable. Really fun. Some of their opinions~ 1. Charlie can't be dead. He's a favorite character of most of them, both girls and boys. The teen girls have a crush! So they're in denial. They actually have reasoning: The porthole that Mikhail blew out was only partway up the wall. The water should have filled the room to the porthole only, leaving an air pocket at the top. It's been awhile since I've had water physics - like, since high school. Does this make sense? The water will fill the whole place up. It was already over top of the portal when last we saw Charlie, wasn't it? As Spike once said to Riley: "Sorry, Charlie." I agree that Season #3 will NOT be about "The Losties after rescue." I don't think they are going to get rescued. Don't know what the reasoning will be, I mean, Locke's vision is as good a theory as any, I don't really have a theory . . . but no way they are going to off-island for Season 3. Nikki-Jessica? I don't know who that is.Jacob - I get the feeling that he is for real, even though yes, Ben may use him and lie about him, in order to manipulate others. I don't get the Juliet thing either, but I'm not sure we're through with that story. I mean - there may be an explanation there, for why he is handling that as he is handling it. I mean - it did work out for everyone after all. He got her to "turn," which may have been his motivation all along. Who knows. Jack is kind of a sad sack, and I wish he would perk up and stop being so angsty, but mostly, he is a good guy. Well, of course, Sawyer is a jerk. He's not JUST a jerk, he has good qualities and he's drop dead gorgeous. But it is a good thing that 8th grade girls would think a guy like him is creepy. They are unblinded by the desire to roll around in the sand with him all wet and shirtless (that's both me and Sawyer). Of course. I think the Island is a place that somehow . . . exaggerates and enhances the reality we all experience, the way we all get reality to bend to desire, usually in more figurative ways. So it would test you all right. It would show you what you're all about. You have interesting eighth graders! It's a Heroes reference: Niki Sanders/ Jessica
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Post by Karen on May 29, 2007 14:44:17 GMT -5
LOL - Yes, it a good thing they don't appreciate Sawyer. I realized this when I stuttered trying to explain to them WHY I love Sawyer. I explained I liked his complexity, and the theme of redemption centered on him. Hey now... I like Sawyer. In fact, he may be right about my favorite character, tied with Locke. And it certainly has nothing to do with any desire to roll around in the sand with either of them shirtless. I think. Oh God, do I need counseling? Vlad Yeah, huh. I have no desire to see Sawyer tied with Locke. That's a little too kinky.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 29, 2007 15:09:40 GMT -5
Hey now... I like Sawyer. In fact, he may be right about my favorite character, tied with Locke. And it certainly has nothing to do with any desire to roll around in the sand with either of them shirtless. I think. Oh God, do I need counseling? Vlad Yeah, huh. I have no desire to see Sawyer tied with Locke. That's a little too kinky.
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Post by Karen on May 29, 2007 15:58:28 GMT -5
2. The flashforward was Locke's vision. It didn't really happen yet. The show will NOT pick up after the rescue and "flip" to being about "lost souls" in society trying to make it back to the idyllic island they didn't appreciate. Most of them gagged at such a scenario and said they'd stop watching if that were the case. Corollary to #2. They do not believe the losties will ever be rescued, except maybe on the series finale. Hee! Fun class! The flashforward is really a puzzle. How does it fit into the LOST timeline? Was it actually the realtime story and what we saw happening on the island the flashback? Had Jack, and the mysterious guy who hung himself - or was killed - been keeping an awful secret after coming home - the lie Jack referred to - that caused Jack to start drinking and drugging. I believe that they gave Jack that scary Moses beard for something other than to make him look extra special angsty. My (current) nonspoiled theory --- I think Jack goes back (to the future) to free the rest of his people (ala Moses). And if that's the case, how does Jacob fit into that theory? Can't wait until February!
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Post by leftylady on May 31, 2007 18:02:36 GMT -5
For a season that started out kind of slow, that was the best season finale I watched this year!
I loved the good death for Charlie. Crossing himself at the end, floating with the lighter portal at this head like a halo, the former altarboy had come full circle and redeemed himself.
And Hurley with the VW WMD!!!
About the unknown deceased, the screen cap I saw would definitely have it a man. If the name begins Jo... or Ja....., my initial guess was that it could be John Locke despite the partial of what appeared to be ending of a different surname. However, today my lunchtime powerwalking buddy, when I told her about the screencap, immediately thought of the unknown Jacob. Now I'm leaning to that. I may have never been on the island and was some sort of hologrpahic projection. Obviously, neither family nor friend - and my closed captioning did put it at "neither".
leftylady
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Post by Lola m on Jun 2, 2007 14:42:32 GMT -5
So, most of my 8th graders watch Lost. Normally I don't let them sidetrack me from the all-powerfull Algebra, but Friday was their last day, and they were signing yearbooks, etc. And we had a major Lost-discussion roundtable. Really fun. Some of their opinions~ 1. Charlie can't be dead. He's a favorite character of most of them, both girls and boys. The teen girls have a crush! So they're in denial. They actually have reasoning: The porthole that Mikhail blew out was only partway up the wall. The water should have filled the room to the porthole only, leaving an air pocket at the top. It's been awhile since I've had water physics - like, since high school. Does this make sense? Hmmmmm. I suppose it is possible that a small bubble of air could be preserved . . . but I'm still betting that Charlie is dead. **giggles** No, I don't think the show next season will be all about post-rescue life. ;D I am torn between thinking it will be about how we move from the island now to the future we saw, or if it will be about how they change things to not have the future we saw . . . Seriously cool kids. The Nikki-Jessica comparison is a very cool one, too. An intriguing possibility! ;D Ahem. Well, in real life, it would be very good to not like Sawyer. And it leaves more for me. ;D Another indication of the coolness and smartness of them. Either are interesting possibilities. And I was in the "it's a big ol' Dharma experiment" until we saw that the Hostiles killed the Dharma folk. 'Course, that just means I think the Dharma people were experimenting on the Hostiles until they stepped into their shoes, so to speak . . .
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Post by Lola m on Jun 2, 2007 14:44:08 GMT -5
But it is a good thing that 8th grade girls would think a guy like him is creepy. They are unblinded by the desire to roll around in the sand with him all wet and shirtless (that's both of me and Sawyer). LOL - Yes, it a good thing they don't appreciate Sawyer. I realized this when I stuttered trying to explain to them WHY I love Sawyer. I explained I liked his complexity, and the theme of redemption centered on him. Um. Yes. Complex character. Redemption. **nods solemnly**
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