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Post by Vlad on Nov 11, 2004 8:14:08 GMT -5
Then they got married and built a massive pharmaceutical company. Ok, maybe not so funny. Had to give it a shot. ;D LOL! Oh my, now that is one "I" missed! Of course Eli Lilly is on my pissed list. They recently cut hundreds of jobs in Indianapolis. Vlad
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 11, 2004 9:14:41 GMT -5
Hey--is that Buffy's Parker as the bearded boyfriend? I didn't recognize "Parker" until he started to talk and I got a load of the voice and mannerisms. He looked "all grown up" of course, but more than that, the most noticeable thing about Parker was those big blue eyes. And I don't know if it was the lighting or actual eye-contacts for an eye-color change or what, but his eyes looked dark in every shot, and I kept going back and forth - is it him?
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 11, 2004 9:28:26 GMT -5
A cad . . . . and yet, not really that much at the end. Which is making me wonder even more about all the stuff they seem to be leading us to. How much is true and how much is red herring? Lola This was such a classic noir episode. Starting at the end, with the voice over and then flashing back. The damsel in distress who's maybe not so distressed (at least not the way we thought - very distressed in another way)l and ends up being the one to pull the gun. The detective who has to dramatically shoot the bad guy in the shoulder to save the day. Perfect! Love the "noir" observation. Even the way Keith was dressed at the end, in dark clothing and all . . . I loved the scene of Veronica seeing him standing there after he took his shot. Just a nice episode all around. Good on the clever writing/funny lines, especially Logan's lines: "Anthropomorphic!" "Please let it be High School English teacher!" etc. That actor is a total unknown to me - whoever he is, he is doing a great job in the role. Also loved the actor doing "Mr Daniels" - just right. And his car! I once worked as a "lunch lady" at a HS in a really ritzy neighborhood. All the students had better cars than the teachers and staff. (I was driving a Pinto at the time.)
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 11, 2004 9:31:56 GMT -5
It was...and the best part? The scenes with Logan and Weevil - SUCH great lines! Yes - loved those scenes. The writing and the acting was really impressive. "If I was gonna cheat, don't you think I'd pick somebody smart?" "If you was gonna." Etc. Good chemistry and the feel that the chemistry of human relationships - what makes us feel connected to each other, what makes us click - cuts right across all lines of class or race, etc.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 11, 2004 9:40:35 GMT -5
But what kind of "thing"? 'Cuz we're getting real mixed signals offa Weevil. Certainly not just a "gettin' sum" kinda thing, because he's being a little too protective of Lilly. Lola Agree. My guess for Weevil & Lilly is that whatever the "thing" is, it is not of a "romantic" nature. For one thing, Lilly just doesn't come off as the two-timing type. She's presented as very upfront.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 11, 2004 9:44:39 GMT -5
I probably should have felt sorry for the teacher ...in retrospect I guess he was trying to teach them something...I was just totally into 'go Weevil and Logan' mode and missed it. I felt sorry for the teacher. That is one thankless job.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 11, 2004 9:51:05 GMT -5
I smell red herring...and it isn't coming from my fridge. Agreed! Yes! Well - I think that whatever is behind Duncan & Veronica's break-up is going to be related to Lilly's murder . . . but I have no idea how. I agree that the rape sub-plot is just overkill, though I thought the mention of rape in this episode suggested they were NOT going to drop it, rather than otherwise (even though Veronica didn't comment on it directly.) Hee.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 11, 2004 9:52:19 GMT -5
Hey, I always wanted to be Nancy Drew. I know, it was bunnies! Lola I'm also wondering. I mean, up to now, we've gotten the impression that Duncan broke up with V. because she sided with her dad. So is that totally not true because they broke up before Lilly was killed? Or did they get back together and then Lilly was killed and then they broke up again? Duncan & Veronica broke up before Lilly was killed. They have not gotten back together since.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 11, 2004 9:53:22 GMT -5
wait....are you saying....the artist is....SAYID? LOL!
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 11, 2004 9:57:15 GMT -5
Hey Rob, Actually that was the one thing I was looking for this morning. To see if anyone mentioned her discovery and comments on Sara's (?) rape. I thought that was a huge mention and extremely significant. (Curious to see if Spring mentions it.) Be curious no more - I did not mention it, except to refer to the eps use of our need for sex - and the way we go about filling that need - revealing us. We get mentions of masturbation, marital sex, and rape. Yes, agree - to me, the signal is that they will NOT be dropping the storyline.
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Post by LadyDi on Nov 11, 2004 16:03:30 GMT -5
Rob, loved your Eli-Lilly comment. ;D
What I liked about this ep. is they finally found (IMO) a really good balance btwn light (Weevil and Logan) and dark (everything else). I like Logan, even tho' he's pretty messed up. My reaction to the eyes in the apartment: Yeaugh! That would totally creep me out. Fun to see "Parker" again; glad he was less of a jerk this time. Seems pretty obvious this isn't the first time Sara's run out on him, hence the lack of concern. I saw Veronica's "freeze frame" as just the realization of who fathered Sara's baby, unrelated (no pun intended) to her own parentage. I do believe Keith is Veronica's father.
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Post by Sue on Nov 11, 2004 17:29:54 GMT -5
Rob, loved your Eli-Lilly comment. ;D What I liked about this ep. is they finally found (IMO) a really good balance btwn light (Weevil and Logan) and dark (everything else). I like Logan, even tho' he's pretty messed up. My reaction to the eyes in the apartment: Yeaugh! That would totally creep me out. Fun to see "Parker" again; glad he was less of a jerk this time. Seems pretty obvious this isn't the first time Sara's run out on him, hence the lack of concern. I saw Veronica's "freeze frame" as just the realization of who fathered Sara's baby, unrelated (no pun intended) to her own parentage. I do believe Keith is Veronica's father. Hey, L.D. hi there. And congrats on 800 posts! Sue
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Nov 11, 2004 22:15:16 GMT -5
Spring, enjoyed your review - lots of interesting ideas to mull over!
however...the line that sticks in my mind - 'let it slide' - that's a SEXUAL reference?
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar....
but the flagpole stuck through the car? DEFINITELY an 'up yours'.... ;D
I don't want Jake to be Veronica's father either - it would just be sad and depressing and this show has enough of that, intermixed with the funnies from Weevil and Logan. I just don't know...nothing seems any clearer than it was the first episode - in fact LESS clear. Someone said this show is closer to 'Twin Peaks' than Buffy - and I'm kinda in agreement. So I think it's possible things ARE going to be that convoluted, but I hope not. I like Keith Mars and want him to be Veronica's pop!
I agree with you - I think Weevil and Lily are biological siblings.
Thanks Spring!
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Post by Vlad on Nov 12, 2004 4:07:59 GMT -5
<snip> I saw Veronica's "freeze frame" as just the realization of who fathered Sara's baby, unrelated (no pun intended) to her own parentage. I do believe Keith is Veronica's father. I just harkened back to the exchange towards the end between Keith and Veronica. He asked her if they could do something that normal fathers and daughters do. She quipped about buying her a pony and he said "I'd watch tv while you rubbed my feet." It was a tiny "squick" moment for her, but they are also comfortable in their familial relationship and she blows it off as her tired dad with tired feet jsut wanting some rest and no worries. I think it was the writer's way of leading our subconscious into thinking aobut who fathered Sara's baby. 'Course I was already there at the moment the mom introduced the man as Sara's "step-father." Even so, that was some really nice and subtle writing that worked in the story in so many ways. Vlad
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 12, 2004 7:32:53 GMT -5
Spring, enjoyed your review - lots of interesting ideas to mull over! however...the line that sticks in my mind - 'let it slide' - that's a SEXUAL reference? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.... Ha! I wondered if anyone would call me on that. I don't have any idea if the "let myself slide" line was deliberately given that sexual spin . . . just thought it was fun to throw in the idea. There are tons of references in the ep to what one does to one's self: [/li][li]Don't sell yourself short. [/li][li]Playing with yourself [/li][li]Let's not kid ourselves [/li][li]Should I let myself slide There were more, those are the ones that I remember off the top of my head. I think the sexual/masturbation references were just part of the overall "what we do to ourselves and others" thing . . . not the other way around. But I thought it was more fun to suggest the slide reference was a sneaky silly reference back to the masturbation images (Logan playing with self, Duncan and his "right hand.) I'm not so much against it on the basis of too depressing and convulted (though I agree with both those assessments) as I am that it is too . . . soap-opera lame, if you know what I mean. You're welcome!
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