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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2005 8:53:38 GMT -5
Wallace was very cute in this. Did anybody else wonder if, just maybe, he was tempted to put some moves on Veronica when they were playing out the cheerleader scenario. Or--was that just a close friends thing? Very, very Xanderish--and maybe just a little: Xander yearns after unattainable Buffy but would never admit to it. (Well, Xander did, but not Wallace)?
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2005 8:56:21 GMT -5
Needs a rewatch really, but hey, it's Sue's turn! And once again, I curse whatever powers have moved VM to 11pm around here. Everyone is gone. And will be on to Lost tomorrow. Night! Indeed. And, with karmic predictibility the evil PTB of RL (EPTBORL--pronounced "eptborl" ) have seen fit to stuff my Wed full of "must dos". Still I'm going to see if I can overcome my natural inclination to practically transcribe the thing and just rewatch and look for major and repeated themes---trying to learn from the master (Spring) and also be a bit quicker.
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2005 8:59:22 GMT -5
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2005 9:00:59 GMT -5
I think the end will justify the means IF it helps Veronica find the real killer. I imagine the details she gleaned from them could definitely play a role that way. I must say, though, that I really don't see Weevil and Logan opening up to anyone like that, much less a member of the faculty. Duncan I could see, because he's shown more overt vulnerability in front of others...but Logan and Weevil are all about the wall. The plot device served its purpose, though: it answered a couple of questions, while creating a few more. Agree. Most especially about Weevil--seemed out of character to me. Logan -- probably also (out of character) -- altho, I'm betting he's been to "therapy" sessions and maybe has learned it's just easier to tell them something to get them off his back--without revealing too much.
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2005 9:02:07 GMT -5
Community Property state, no? Good point. Could he use the evidence that she was submarining him (leaking the stuff to the press) -- hurting his career and future earnings to maybe cut her off? Talk about UGLY!
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Post by Pixi on Jan 12, 2005 9:02:38 GMT -5
Did anybody else wonder if, just maybe, he was tempted to put some moves on Veronica when they were playing out the cheerleader scenario. Or--was that just a close friends thing? Very, very Xanderish--and maybe just a little: Xander yearns after unattainable Buffy but would never admit to it. (Well, Xander did, but not Wallace)? I thought this was actually one of Wallace's best episodes. He had some great lines and he seemed less a useless sidekick and more an actual part of the episode. I thought ensemble wise - they really used every single character very well. None of the scenes seemed forced - but then they really never do but unlike the Weevil in the police station scene (which was fantastic - don't get me wrong), every scene flowed naturally. Wallace is sort of a cool and confident Xander. He doesn't ever seem as needy to me. (needy in the sense of early Buffy Xander).
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 12, 2005 9:02:47 GMT -5
Did anybody else wonder if, just maybe, he was tempted to put some moves on Veronica when they were playing out the cheerleader scenario. Or--was that just a close friends thing? Very, very Xanderish--and maybe just a little: Xander yearns after unattainable Buffy but would never admit to it. (Well, Xander did, but not Wallace)? Well, Wallace is a heterosexual teenage boy, and Veronica is a pretty girl, and he snuggled up to her and put his arm around her . . .I don't suppose his mind remained totally pure. And I thought Veronica looked a little "playful" as well. But, for now anyhow, neither seems much attracted "in that way." I think of Wallace as Veronica's "Xander" also, but with a big difference: I don't think Wallace has a crush on Veronica. He likes her, but I don't think he's idealized her, sees her as his hero, this unattainable goddess . . . which was sort of Xander's thing for a long time with Buffy. Like Xander and Buffy though, both are "outcasts" from the popular crowd, and that's part of the reason they hang together and support each other.
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2005 9:03:08 GMT -5
Hey, was the MIT guy one of the Tritons? The one playing the chess game on his lap in the Guidance Office vestibule? Jim laughed at that. Says MIT kids hate that stereotype. (I guess he interviews some for Vandy med school.)
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2005 9:04:57 GMT -5
I thought this was a fantastic episode. And I agree - so many, many things happening in this episode. Lines I love: Say repressed homosexuality. Veronica Mars is smarter than me Shut your mouth (the Shaft come back line) Sigh. I love this show - so, so well written. I wanted to hug Logan so much and Weevil. The karaoke - Kristen Bell was absolutely fantastic - she sounded great and did a terrific job. Love the song too! The lips - seriously scary, again. I think the jump is a red herring though. Very classic mystery book fakeout sort of thing. I was looking for Spike and the demon too! I like how they turned it upside down though and made the secret society innocent. Rob Thomas just rocks! Fantastic episode! I'm so glad you've joined us with your VM love, and comments.
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2005 9:07:15 GMT -5
I thought this was actually one of Wallace's best episodes. He had some great lines and he seemed less a useless sidekick and more an actual part of the episode. I thought ensemble wise - they really used every single character very well. None of the scenes seemed forced - but then they really never do but unlike the Weevil in the police station scene (which was fantastic - don't get me wrong), every scene flowed naturally. Wallace is sort of a cool and confident Xander. He doesn't ever seem as needy to me. (needy in the sense of early Buffy Xander). Agreed. And Spring said much the same thing. Also agreed on the ensemble thing. (Playing into my theory that there are "core" episodes and semi-filler episodes.) Love Keith, Logan, Wallace, Weevil; like Duncan.
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2005 9:09:17 GMT -5
I got the impression the gibberish speak was just so that he wouldn't have to answer Veronica's questions about the Tritons. I'm uncertain about this one. He seemed to be giving her a look saying, "Please understand that I can't talk to you about this" and he wasn't totally happy about that. But whether it was can't talk (literally) or won't talk I wasn't sure.
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2005 9:10:18 GMT -5
I agree. This was the point where I got home (fortunately the tape was working) and I was busy organizing pixikins for dinner, bed, etc. and halfway listening thinking what in the world - is this supposed to make sense. I liked Sheriff Lamb last night for the first time. I loved, loved, loved the scene in the his office with the walking into the courtroom with a little something extra line and the smarter than me - oh come on shove. Hee, hee. Best episode yet -and I keep saying that. cute.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 12, 2005 9:12:42 GMT -5
Indeed. And, with karmic predictibility the evil PTB of RL (EPTBORL--pronounced "eptborl" ) have seen fit to stuff my Wed full of "must dos". Still I'm going to see if I can overcome my natural inclination to practically transcribe the thing and just rewatch and look for major and repeated themes---trying to learn from the master (Spring) and also be a bit quicker. My technique: [/li][li]Make up my mind about the major theme, despite the warring voices in my head. [/li][li]Plunge ahead as if I had no doubts as to the absolute rightness of my conclusions. [/li][li]Ignore all snickering thoughts about how everyone is going to think I'm crazy. Type away. [/li][li]Go over it once, correcting errors. [/li][li]Ignore all inclination to rethink and revise. [/li][li]Take a deep breath. Close eyes. Send it in. [/li][li]Cover my head and irrationally wait for the criticism to pile in, as people realize what a fraud I am. [/li][li]Get so little response that I am almost wishing people would post about what a big steaming pile my review is. [/li][li]Forget all about it in no time. Go on to next week, which (yay!) isn't mine. [/li][li]Repeat.
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2005 9:15:44 GMT -5
I enjoyed last night's show. In fact, I was annoyed at myself for erasing from my DVR because I wanted to rewatch bits and pieces, especially the karoake park! I'm with Rob - I just can't see Weevil or Logan opening up to anyone. Also, I find it interesting that mention of Weevil and the letters wasn't in that file Veronica found in her Dad's safe. He said the police had already questioned him about the letters. I was trying to remember if Keith has ever seen Weevil and Veronica together. I don't think so but I'd be interested to see how he reacts to it. Odd that the guys who pulled Veronica out of her car and took the keys out didn't think it was weird they could hear Duncan having a counseling session?? Little things like that bug me. Overall, it was a good episode and I was feeling bad for Logan at the end. As Spring said, I definitely saw a set up for Logan to blame Veronica's dad. That would be typical since, every time they seem to develop some kind of accord again, something happens to push them further apart. Especially since he admitted he blames her for Lily's death for doing the same thing... snitching. Like father, like daughter. (Which, by the way, is why I think Veronica looked a little upset by what Rick said at the end. She definitely saw the connection.) Excellent point about the letters. Myself--I didn't see why Veronica should feel guilty that her father had uncovered an embezzler. And the "bonus" excuse just points out that he is one of those people who commits and crime and then claims the victim forced him to commit it--double yuck! No sympathy there. Maybe what Veronica was upset about was the realization that even when one rightly uncovers the criminal there are innocent bystanders who also get hurt and that Keith/Veronica sometimes have no clue as to the fallout of their (totally justifiable) actions. I mean, Keith knew Aaron would be upset about his discovery, but told him anyway. Still--there's no way he could predict the fallout of Lynn's (?)actions. Nor do I think he should feel responsible for her.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 12, 2005 9:17:42 GMT -5
I'm uncertain about this one. He seemed to be giving her a look saying, "Please understand that I can't talk to you about this" and he wasn't totally happy about that. But whether it was can't talk (literally) or won't talk I wasn't sure. But - he participated in setting Veronica up for that bogus bathroom encounter. I just am reserving judgment on Duncan. He's the most mysterious and remote character to me, and I think he's meant to be. He's very repressed, very used to "faking" what others want him to be, so he can get along . . . I just can't figure him out. And he's on my suspect list for killing Lilly. I don't mean that he killed her in any deliberate, premeditated, first degree murder way, but . . . well, I don't know how else to say it: Something is so wrong there.
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