VM 1:12 "Clash of the Tritons"

[Nickim]

Lola said:

Logan is really ripping out my heart - in this episode and in others.

You really put your finger on an important aspect of it - lonliness. Yes, he's friends with Duncan and his "gang" of buddies at school. But how many of them are really close? Does anyone know about his dad and how he abuses him? Is he sharing what he's feeling about his mom with anyone? Does he have someone to talk to about his feelings about Lily (other than the occasional counseling session as we see here)?

I get the feeling that, unfortunately, the answer to most of these is no.

Lola

Hi Lola. *waves* It's really nice to have someone to "talk" to on this thread, since I'm always behind.

I have a major pet peeve with this episode. Don't the Neptune cops know about fingerprints? Veronica's wouldn't be on the blank ID's, but Rick's would.

[Nickim]

Lola said:

If she really is dead (which I sadly think is likely) pills and then jumping (or pills and being pushed).

I don't see how she could have been pushed, since the bridge was on a busy highway, and I don't see how the killer could have gotten her to stop.

[Lola m]

Nicki said:

I'd say they were more concerned about what their friends would say, especially Lily. She seems like the kind of girl who would dally with Weevil and break his heart.

I tend to think Lily would be more concerned about what her friends would think, or worried about Logan.

'Cuz normally I'd see her as wanting to flaunt this in front of her mom to drive her nuts. Unless she was more serious about Weevil than we think right now and was concerned about how her powerful and rich parents could have hurt him or his family.

Hmmmmmm.

[Lola m]

Nicki said:

Hi Lola. *waves* It's really nice to have someone to "talk" to on this thread, since I'm always behind.

I have a major pet peeve with this episode. Don't the Neptune cops know about fingerprints? Veronica's wouldn't be on the blank ID's, but Rick's would.

Hi, Nicki!!

All I can think of is that maybe the cards were wiped of prints?

Are you still getting discs from Vlad of the eps? I think you'll really like the one that aired last week.

[Nickim]

Lola said:

Hi, Nicki!!

All I can think of is that maybe the cards were wiped of prints?

Are you still getting discs from Vlad of the eps? I think you'll really like the one that aired last week.

Rick shoved the cards into Veronica's locker with his bare hands, so no chance to wipe them. And, yes Vlad is sending them to me. I've just been slow about watching them lately.

[Lola m]

You know, I'd forgotten that as funny it is when Sherrif Lamb reads from the dollar bill (Veronica Mars is smarter than me), my favorite part is the way she responds. That bright "gosh-golly" smile and tone as she slaps his shoulder and says "oh, you stop it!". Too. Cute!

Also, looking back, what a great ep this is for red herrings (all the stuff with Duncan and his blackouts and Weevil and his relationship with Lilly) and real clues (Aaron Echolls showing his true colors again, Mrs. Echolls suicide showing us just how bad things must be).

Lola

Also - the Triton's robes? Truly dorky! ;D

[Pixi]

lolam said:

You know, I'd forgotten that as funny it is when Sherrif Lamb reads from the dollar bill (Veronica Mars is smarter than me), my favorite part is the way she responds. That bright "gosh-golly" smile and tone as she slaps his shoulder and says "oh, you stop it!". Too. Cute!

Also, looking back, what a great ep this is for red herrings (all the stuff with Duncan and his blackouts and Weevil and his relationship with Lilly) and real clues (Aaron Echolls showing his true colors again, Mrs. Echolls suicide showing us just how bad things must be).

Lola

Also - the Triton's robes? Truly dorky! ;D

I know - that slap is beyond cute.

I loved hearing Kristen sing again. I so want them to have a MOTW involving the high school musical so we can hear her again. What a fabulous voice.

And how awful is Duncan as a singer? That whole Karaoke session has me ducking and running for cover.

Eetah on the red herrings. Chock full of red herrings galore.

[sunworshipper]

pixi said:

And how awful is Duncan as a singer? That whole Karaoke session has me ducking and running for cover.

Duncan was faking singing that horribly. He sounded much more normal singing the Heat Miser song in AEFC.

[Pixi]

sunworshipper said:

pixi said:

And how awful is Duncan as a singer? That whole Karaoke session has me ducking and running for cover.

Duncan was faking singing that horribly. He sounded much more normal singing the Heat Miser song in AEFC.

I do know that. But it's awful fake singing.

I teach musical theatre and I hear alot of songs. Great, good, bad, so-so, etc. And I just thought that was awful. Cringe-inducing awful.

[Spaced Out Looney]

A guidance counselor gets a research grant? Really?

Eat more fruit.

Streakers. Hmm.

I don't want to talk away my grief. I want to turn it into fuel. Hmm.

Sneaky, Veronica. And highly unethical.

Where did Lamb's good "bad cop" routine go?

So now Veronica is accused of something she didn't do... and she gets caught for something she did do. Well, can't say she didn't have that coming.

Handcuffs. Kinky.




Logan's own walk of shame. Sort of.

Snail shell?

Why some deaths matter more than others. Thank you for bringing that up, Weevil!!!

Lilly felt threatened by Weevil? Or was it another guy?

Lilly and Logan had broken up and then gotten back together.

A this is how Veronica gets around the suspension.

Question of the Big Secret.

12 labors, like Hercules.

Wow this is a pretty intense secret society for high school

Pretty much the six guys you expect.

Aaron got Logan out of suspension.

Lynn's shirt. Gah!!

Hi Dad! Their case is fuzzy and circumstancial.
You know the odd thing? Those were also her first words.






An unlabeled water bottle?

Tabloids. What did he expect.

Daughter Trina.

Wallace doing some sleuthing.

Mystery locker.




Logan and Lilly together off and on. Not dating when she was murdered. Would have been 2 year anniversary.

Question of personal life.

Veronica saw him making out with some one else and passed it on to Lilly.

Why Logan blames Veronica. Hm...

Logan fatalistic? Suicidal.

Wallace is in basketball.

Now I'm not just falsely accused; I'm badly offended. Hee.

Karaoke. Duncan speaking in code. Ooookay.

I thought people hated her. Why are they cheering her on?




Kristen Bell is a good singer.

Cool bathroom.

Hmm. Back to square one.

Rat nailed to the door.

Duncan has been seeing guidance counselor regularly. Or he's supposed to.

Duncan feels like Lilly's haunting her.

So he did stop taking meds. But only anti-depressants.
He's on other stuff?

Duncan lost time. 3 whole days?

Veronica locked in her trunk. And they left the keys in the trunk lock. That's fortunate.

Don't tell me that Veronica can out run all those guys, some of whom are in sports. She should try out for track.




Donuts but not in a pink box.

I thought for a change you might be interested in having the real criminal stand trial.

So Lynn leaked the photos. Like Logan, she gets at Aaron through messing with his public image.

And...it's all about Aaron. And...it's all about Lynn. Not at all about Logan. Says a lot.

Logan defending his mom.

Pills. This can't be good.

Veronica Mars is smarter than me. Hee!

Might want to guard against arrogance though.

Veronica Mars explains it all.

So this is a double vengeance.

Actions have consequences.

Lynn committed suicide? I thought her character was interesting though. Too bad.




Lots of good, witty repartee this episode.

Interesting, if a little odd way of fitting in a lot of exposition. A lot of information to note and set aside for later.

Good partnership between Wallace and Veronica. She does take him for granted though. Comical now, but could be troubling later.

So, possibly this Triton society is not as scary as first described. And was the streaking one of the things that the new pledges had to do?