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Post by raenstorm on Feb 16, 2005 11:30:55 GMT -5
You know... Veronica should have suspected her father was up to something when she was able to find that combination even as she was telling us in the voiceover that her dad had taught her the obvious ways people give away their combinations. That combined with the fact that we knew he had already changed the combination on her - I knew something was up and I loved the exploding ink.
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Post by Sue on Feb 16, 2005 11:46:49 GMT -5
one note about epilepsy - in most (if not all) states, one's license is (understandably) supposed to be suspended if one has had an epileptic seizure within X amount of time. it's certainly possible that the kanes lied or bribed their way out of this requirement, but i thought i would mention it anyway. I was going to mention the same thing. Epilepsy seems to be a lot more common than I knew. My brother dated a girl (hence the license info) and my sister had it as a child (and 50 years ago they told my mom there was no "growing out of it", altho, clearly that is now incorrect information.) She just stared into space tho, no "fit" involved. We called them "spells". Her first grade witch teacher claimed she was simply inattentive and was faking to cover up the inattention and to get attention. grr arggh.
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Post by Sue on Feb 16, 2005 11:47:53 GMT -5
i agree - i find it vaguely disturbing. perhaps the pairing of this storyline with the teacher storyline was intentional, though, as in: 'how are they similar? how are they dissimilar?' With you there. And, congrats on your second torch and becoming a "junior scubie." Off to rewatch so I can do the review.
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Post by Sue on Feb 16, 2005 11:48:45 GMT -5
Hmmm, and I was more worried about who could have pushed Mommy more than whether it was her jumping or not. I don't know Mama Logan well enough to know if she would jump or not but I think Logan probably did know her well enough and she certainly didn't seem suicidal when she left the school. However, I don't think it's possible to rule out foul play along with speculating whether she faked it all. I got nuthin' Hi Rae!
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Post by Matthew on Feb 16, 2005 12:31:49 GMT -5
Excellent. I loved the hearing and the text messages Veronica made up. And I think the way the evil girl wasn't evil and the twisty way it ended up. Logan was wonderful this episode. I felt everything he was feeling. Great facial expressions and body language. The scene with Weevil was fantastic. Rim shot. Deep Throat. Hee, hee. There was a lot packed into this show. Loved the Daddy scene. Bwah to the ink bomb. Go Keith. Plus Abel Koontz dying. And next week Willow. Oh, Carrie was still evil in general tendencies, but was acting on the part of good because it was someone that she cared about that got screwed. Rather literally.
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Post by Matthew on Feb 16, 2005 12:34:23 GMT -5
Alright I know I'm talking to myself but - didn't you just love the doctor's office joke? Terrific as we have all sat there in that paper gown waiting for the doctor forever. I also like the way they allow Veronica to be imperfect. This time Daddy was right, she was wrong. It is so terrific to have the lead not be right in the end. It just makes her character so much more compelling. The downside - one of the few things she looks forward to at school is taken away from her. The best thing about her imperfections is that she learns when she does make mistakes. So, while she makes mistakes frequently (and she does, what detective doesn't?) she is able to think on her feet and re-order her world in response to it. Unusual, and a reason I like the character so much.
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Post by Matthew on Feb 16, 2005 12:37:11 GMT -5
This is not my pickup, I read it somewhere else - but I thought it was terrific. Character names: Bishop, knight and Rooks. Hee, hee. Huh... so it is.. interesting!! Though you don't "castle" with a Knight and a Rook... if that's what the kids are calling it these days..
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Post by Matthew on Feb 16, 2005 12:40:02 GMT -5
i actually meant the opposite of the way people have interpreted my comment. instead of him doing the threats, i meant as someone later mentioned - that possibly someone had threatened his family (if he has one) like they threatened veronica's mom. i do agree with later comments, though, that perhaps it was financial incentive instead. or, it could have been a mix of both . Oooh, good point! Though I think it's much more likely that he's a willing goat: it's much easier to control how much someone is going to say when they aren't chafing from coercian. Abel looks psychotically happy that he's being put away, not fearful for someone else, if someone gets too close to the truth. Of course, Koontz could just be a good actor, himself. (the character).
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Post by Lola running by on Feb 16, 2005 13:05:54 GMT -5
i actually meant the opposite of the way people have interpreted my comment. instead of him doing the threats, i meant as someone later mentioned - that possibly someone had threatened his family (if he has one) like they threatened veronica's mom. i do agree with later comments, though, that perhaps it was financial incentive instead. or, it could have been a mix of both . Oh, I get it. That is a very distinct possibility. Would fit with the terminal illness, too. A threat to someone close to him, tied with "what have you got to lose, you're dying anyway" kind of thing. Lola
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Post by Lola still just running by on Feb 16, 2005 13:09:08 GMT -5
i agree - i find it vaguely disturbing. perhaps the pairing of this storyline with the teacher storyline was intentional, though, as in: 'how are they similar? how are they dissimilar?' I can easily see that we are supposed to at least think about similarities. I mean, the writers are showing us parallels all the time here - giving us other examples of mistaken parenthood to compare to the questions about who is Veronica's biological dad. Or comparing revelations in the case of the week to what that means about Lily's murder. Etc., etc. Lola
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Post by Lola still not really here on Feb 16, 2005 13:12:15 GMT -5
Hmmm, and I was more worried about who could have pushed Mommy more than whether it was her jumping or not. I don't know Mama Logan well enough to know if she would jump or not but I think Logan probably did know her well enough and she certainly didn't seem suicidal when she left the school. However, I don't think it's possible to rule out foul play along with speculating whether she faked it all. Looking at this family and the surrounding community and everything else that is going on, I think you are probably right. We can't rule out foul play. We can't rule out suicide (people don't always behave the way they would be expected to when they have reached that point). We can't rule out a con or fake out or escape. Lola
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 16, 2005 16:11:07 GMT -5
I agree that having Duncan as the killer during a seizure really doesn't fit in with everything else that has happened. Unless Daddy is really twisted. I could imagine Mom & Dad wanting to protect both Duncan and their "reputation" enough to try to hide it if Duncan accidentally killed Lilly during a seizure. If Abel is dying anyhow, and therefore willing to take a big payoff to his family to take the blame . . . we have had indications that both parents are interested in protecting Duncan and in "appearances." At this point, I think we have more evidence suggesting Lynn DID jump, than that she didn't jump . . . but nothing conclusive either way.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 16, 2005 16:16:56 GMT -5
well, someone threatened veronica's mom. i wouldn't be surprised, personally, if threats were also involved with abel. i don't recall the show ever explicitly stating whether he had any loved ones; does anyone else? I think it would be hard to threaten a dying man - my thought there is: What would constitute a serious threat? You're dying anyhow. Whereas it would be easy to get him to do something like take a life sentence for a murder if there is some kind of payoff. All very speculative, though.
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Post by SpringSummers on Feb 16, 2005 16:28:30 GMT -5
<snip> So...they're moving toward hooking up Veronica and the deputy? Perhaps he should brush up on his age-of-consent law first (though I've no clue what it really is in California. Still feels vaguely ooky). Didn't the Deputy say he was only 20 yrs old? And Veronica is . . . 16 or 17? The age difference is very small, so I don't get any oook. BUT, he is a deputy and she is a minor, so definitely he would be extremely foolish and out-of-line to expect or try to go after sex. But they could still date. After everthing that's happened to her, I'm sure Veronica would want to take it slow, regardless.
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Post by Vlad who got timed out on Feb 16, 2005 17:16:11 GMT -5
Huh... so it is.. interesting!! Though you don't "castle" with a Knight and a Rook... if that's what the kids are calling it these days.. You "castle" with a King and a Rook. The knight and bishop (and queen, depending on the side) have to be out of the way first. Vlad
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