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Post by Sue on Sept 29, 2005 12:41:16 GMT -5
I completely get what you and Sharky are posting here. I just feel that they are taking Logan's character down a path that we have already gone. Hey - I don't mind being Logan's sole cheerleader over here in the corner. ;D He really has no one to help him now. Dick and an affair with a slutty trophy wife (sorry CC I am talking about your character not you) is not going to help him cope with all the trauma he is going through. Well, I agree with them while also loving my woobie Logan, so I guess I get to play in all the corners. ;D I'd like to see Veronica and Logan get back together eventually, but I can also live with them not being together, as long as they each eventually find happiness. 'Cuz they both really need it. Ditto. I'd be stunned if Pixi is "Logan's only cheerleader." I'm all for eventual LoVe. But agree (at least in my brain if not in my heart) that both of them have a lot of issues to work thru first. And maybe they could work them out while together but Veronica made a different choice (and, of course, we all understand why the writers chose that choice). Speculating here---I'm pretty sure we'll see Veronica taking Logan's side down the line when/if accusations come back to haunt him. But then she'll have to repair fences with him big time (I don't think he'll just open himself back up to hurt from her immediately); then she'll find out about CC (probably from CC herself) and they'll have to deal with that AND they'll have to deal eventually with Keith's hostility. Months, if not YEARs of material ahead of us. And, I really should be channeling my thoughts and energy into writing. I so just want to respond to everyone else's comments, though, so I'm going away for now.
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Post by artemis on Sept 29, 2005 14:11:15 GMT -5
Might already have been answered, but really there was mostly just voice over by V. talking about how the guy who found Logan on the bridge never showed up for court and Logan's lawyer pushed heavily on the angle that Logan was badly beaten and in fear for his life so that even if he did stab Felix it was self defense. <snip> If I'm remembering correctly and if I understand the scene you mean. yes, that's exactly the scene i meant. thanks, lola!
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Sept 29, 2005 14:21:16 GMT -5
Well, I agree with them while also loving my woobie Logan, so I guess I get to play in all the corners. ;D I'd like to see Veronica and Logan get back together eventually, but I can also live with them not being together, as long as they each eventually find happiness. 'Cuz they both really need it. Ditto. I'd be stunned if Pixi is "Logan's only cheerleader." I'm all for eventual LoVe. But agree (at least in my brain if not in my heart) that both of them have a lot of issues to work thru first. And maybe they could work them out while together but Veronica made a different choice (and, of course, we all understand why the writers chose that choice). Speculating here---I'm pretty sure we'll see Veronica taking Logan's side down the line when/if accusations come back to haunt him. But then she'll have to repair fences with him big time (I don't think he'll just open himself back up to hurt from her immediately); then she'll find out about CC (probably from CC herself) and they'll have to deal with that AND they'll have to deal eventually with Keith's hostility. Months, if not YEARs of material ahead of us. And, I really should be channeling my thoughts and energy into writing. I so just want to respond to everyone else's comments, though, so I'm going away for now. I'm with you. Logan and Veronica have a lot of issues, each and together, that they need to work through. So, for that matter, does Duncan. I have to keep reminding myself that they're still children in some ways, which does influence the decisions they make. Logan isn't thinking clearly, or why would he have picked a fight with Weevil and company anyway? Who knows, maybe Logan and Duncan will walk off into the fog together. This could be the start of a beautiful friendship... Anne, Keith Mars hot ;D
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Post by Sue on Sept 29, 2005 15:06:06 GMT -5
Ditto. I'd be stunned if Pixi is "Logan's only cheerleader." I'm all for eventual LoVe. But agree (at least in my brain if not in my heart) that both of them have a lot of issues to work thru first. And maybe they could work them out while together but Veronica made a different choice (and, of course, we all understand why the writers chose that choice). Speculating here---I'm pretty sure we'll see Veronica taking Logan's side down the line when/if accusations come back to haunt him. But then she'll have to repair fences with him big time (I don't think he'll just open himself back up to hurt from her immediately); then she'll find out about CC (probably from CC herself) and they'll have to deal with that AND they'll have to deal eventually with Keith's hostility. Months, if not YEARs of material ahead of us. And, I really should be channeling my thoughts and energy into writing. I so just want to respond to everyone else's comments, though, so I'm going away for now. I'm with you. Logan and Veronica have a lot of issues, each and together, that they need to work through. So, for that matter, does Duncan. I have to keep reminding myself that they're still children in some ways, which does influence the decisions they make. Logan isn't thinking clearly, or why would he have picked a fight with Weevil and company anyway? Who knows, maybe Logan and Duncan will walk off into the fog together. This could be the start of a beautiful friendship... Anne, Keith Mars hot ;D Anne's cheating on Giles!
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Post by Sue on Sept 29, 2005 15:33:51 GMT -5
"Nothing that happens in Neptune is a coincidence."
CC's character name is Kendall Casablancas.
Kendall was SMG's character name on All My Children when she played Susan Lucci's daughter.
A stretch?
See quote at top.
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Post by Sharky on Sept 29, 2005 15:42:38 GMT -5
"Nothing that happens in Neptune is a coincidence." CC's character name is Kendall Casablancas. Kendall was SMG's character name on All My Children when she played Susan Lucci's daughter. A stretch? See quote at top. ;D Yup. Kendall Hart.
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Post by Sue on Sept 29, 2005 16:02:37 GMT -5
Help.
"PCHers"? Used twice in first 15 minutes of VM to describe Weevil's gang.
I'm sure I'm supposed to know this.
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Post by zimshan on Sept 29, 2005 16:46:57 GMT -5
I'd like to see them both be a little stronger and independent first, though. I think the PodVeronica was intentional...<b>I think she's way more damaged by the events of the past 2 years than even she knows.</b> So she goes for "safety" and "the known" with Duncan. And Logan has to get to the point where he is held up (morally or sanity-wise) only by the efforts of someone else. He needs a lot, and I don't think Veronica has it to give at this point.
Oh, yes. And especially on the Veronica part. I would have been quite disappointed if that girl who went through one thing after another in that finale just snapped back to what she was before so quickly and easily. Both VM and Lg are damaged, but the difference is, she can push what she went through to the back of her mind alot easier than Lg. Lg might try to forget about it, but his life just won't let him. He is constantly reminded that everyone around him is gone.
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Post by zimshan on Sept 29, 2005 16:56:17 GMT -5
I wanted to see more of Logan's reaction to what Aaron did, I obviously would have liked to see more Logan/Veronica romance.
Well, the first part, I answer a big huge YES! I can't believe RT past by the great opportunity of a scene where Lg first finds out about his father.
As far as Lg/VM go, I thought there was ALOT more than I figured there would be. Granted they were almost all flashbacks and they were both acting quite Dun/VM which creeped me out abit. But then that lamp throwing scene? Fun...
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Post by zimshan on Sept 29, 2005 17:02:01 GMT -5
Yep, I can see all of this as part of Veronica trying very hard to be "normal girl".
Oh, yes. And a majority of her knows this is what she is doing. She's the one who said 'normal is the watchword' and then later Wallace repeats it to her like they have most definitely had convos about this subject before....
Idk, I loved the whole trying to be normal angle because it just came off as so very bittersweet.
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Post by zimshan on Sept 29, 2005 17:05:24 GMT -5
Very pod Veronica. The title says it all "normal is the watchword". She keeps acting like normal is her real goal, that she doesn't want to be pulled back into her crime solving ways. But I don't believe it.
Oh, I LOVE the title of this episode. And I really think she knows it, she knows what she's doing. But seriously, if you had gone through everything she has in the past year, wouldn't you just want to get back to 'normal'?
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Post by zimshan on Sept 29, 2005 17:11:45 GMT -5
Wow, I'm impressed at the swift start to the season. No dilly dallying around. A lot happening or shoehorned in as info for one hour!
Oh, yea. The punches just kept coming from left and right and I could hardly catch my breath. I just really didn't think RT could pull off this season being as good as the first, but damn! Guy's got alot of tricks up his sleeve and it'll be interesting to see how he plays them out. Basically, I was floored by the fact that he's got a rollercoaster ride planned for us all! And just a damn bit excited! And flabbergasted at that ending...OY!
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Post by zimshan on Sept 29, 2005 17:22:10 GMT -5
Speculating here---I'm pretty sure we'll see Veronica taking Logan's side down the line when/if accusations come back to haunt him. But then she'll have to repair fences with him big time (I don't think he'll just open himself back up to hurt from her immediately); then she'll find out about CC (probably from CC herself) and they'll have to deal with that AND they'll have to deal eventually with Keith's hostility. Months, if not YEARs of material ahead of us. Which is exactly what we needed if they intend on propelling the Lg/VM thing for the length of the show. I reaffirm my belief that we got so much shippiness and happiness in MAD just to show us what it would be like, but they'll take forever to get back there. Which as a viewer, I say, 'Fun!' Yea, I was not a happpy camper with happy Logan. It was a nice little, 'hey look, the guy can be happy' but the guy is so much more interesting when he's all complex and stuff. And we've got enough complexity in this character now keep us happy for years!
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Post by Queen E on Sept 29, 2005 17:26:27 GMT -5
I'd like to see them both be a little stronger and independent first, though. I think the PodVeronica was intentional...<b>I think she's way more damaged by the events of the past 2 years than even she knows.</b> So she goes for "safety" and "the known" with Duncan. And Logan has to get to the point where he is held up (morally or sanity-wise) only by the efforts of someone else. He needs a lot, and I don't think Veronica has it to give at this point.Oh, yes. And especially on the Veronica part. I would have been quite disappointed if that girl who went through one thing after another in that finale just snapped back to what she was before so quickly and easily. Both VM and Lg are damaged, but the difference is, she can push what she went through to the back of her mind alot easier than Lg. Lg might try to forget about it, but his life just won't let him. He is constantly reminded that everyone around him is gone. Yes, not only is she good at compartmentalizing what's painful...but she's got Keith and Wallace as support. Logan? Has no one. Mom: dead. Dad: Even when not in prison, still horrifyingly bad. Since Duncan and he are on the outs, his only "support" (note the sarcastic quotes) are the Casablancas. No wonder he's flailing and looking at Veronica as his only salvation. And no one Veronica freaked; that is a scary position to be in...
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Post by SpringSummers on Sept 29, 2005 17:44:39 GMT -5
Hee, hee - are you ready? Here are my impressions (warning it's long and at times ranty) Okay I think I'm done. I liked it but I'm unhappy with the continual trashing of Logan. He redeemed himself last year - he has all this dumped on him and now he gets to play jackass again? I'm disappointed. So many better ways to have gone. While I agree the VD needs closure, I'm just not going to enjoy watching it. Note to self: Rememeber shirtless Logan, shirtless Logan. ;D I don't know about "trashing", and I'm even less certain Logan "redeemed" himself. What he showed was that he had chemistry with Veronica. The boy has potential, and LoVe has passion that VD doesn't. I'm having this weird sense of deja vu all over again. While Logan isn't Spike, the two characters are similar in some ways. I have no qualms about Logan ending up with Veronica. I'd like him to show more respect and tolerance though. Growing up on the side of the non-09-ers makes me predisposed to disliking them, I guess. Could work on my own tolerance, always. Time will tell, I guess. Agree. It makes sense for Logan, at this point, to be out-of-control. He's "practically an orphan" as he said - he's got no parental figures and he's dealing with more than anyone his age should have to deal with. I wouldn't buy a "calm mature" Logan at this point. Getting into some senseless and dangerous violence - considering his age and circumstances - that, I do buy.
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