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Post by Lola m on Nov 28, 2005 13:23:58 GMT -5
Got my Sunday rerun tape and it reminded me that I haven't remembered to mention (must be the Turkey Daze) this since I haven't seen anyone else's comments on it: As V enter the IT lab to get Mac's help, the camera pans on a screensaver/wallpaper in the foreground. A photo of a pyramid with a drawn eye above. As we always remind ourselves there is no throwaway in the VMverse. 1. money, money, money: This is the symbol on US legal tender. Right there in our faces. 2. Masonic symbol: as anyone who has read Dan Brown's DaVinci Code will remember, he conjures up a giant world wide conspiracy which he then points to secret organizations like Opus Dei and ... tada: the Masons. RT trying to tell us again (make that yet again) that this year is about conspiracies? I really noticed the wallpaper as well - so I think we were meant too. My first thought was how it reinforces the motif of money, but you make a good point with your mention of conspiracy theories, etc.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 28, 2005 13:31:25 GMT -5
Another question I had for everyone: I didn't really understand how Veronica trapped Ryan into revealing himself. She sends out that free tickets offer, expecting that to attract people into calling her . . . and then she'll know when "the one" calls her . . . how?? Her "free tickets" offer didn't seem like very specific bait. How did she know the one who called her was the same one who emailed her? And why did he hang up on her? He recognized her voice, and figured something was up? She was counting on the immediate hang-up to clue her off, or . . .? I accepted the whole thing - that Veronica's free tickets ruse worked somehow to identify the anonymous emailer, but I didn't really get it. Anyone have any enlightening words? I assumed it was because she emailed it directly back to the address that sent the email - so it would look like an email sent to a group but really only that address got it - and that she just assumed most any kid would respond. Then, it must actually be a shared email for that family or for all the kids, so the daughter opened it instead of the son. I tend to think that Veronica has a phone number that she only uses for cases - directed to her cell so she can see that it is that line calling and answering appropriately depending on what scam she is currently running. Then she got the phone number of the caller from the hang up, used a reverse directory to find an address and voila. But that may be fanwanking on my part.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 28, 2005 13:32:02 GMT -5
Another question I had for everyone: I didn't really understand how Veronica trapped Ryan into revealing himself. She sends out that free tickets offer, expecting that to attract people into calling her . . . and then she'll know when "the one" calls her . . . how?? Her "free tickets" offer didn't seem like very specific bait. How did she know the one who called her was the same one who emailed her? And why did he hang up on her? He recognized her voice, and figured something was up? She was counting on the immediate hang-up to clue her off, or . . .? I accepted the whole thing - that Veronica's free tickets ruse worked somehow to identify the anonymous emailer, but I didn't really get it. Anyone have any enlightening words? Way behind on posts (which look wonderfully thoughtful, BTW) and even on re-viewing, but I THINK she was able to send her free ticket email ONLY back in response to the the original anonymous email. (Carolyn tells me that it's pretty simple to disguise one's own email return address). So---she should only have received one call in response. And Sue put it much more succinctly that I did. ;D
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Post by Michelle on Nov 28, 2005 18:18:44 GMT -5
Another question I had for everyone: I didn't really understand how Veronica trapped Ryan into revealing himself. She sends out that free tickets offer, expecting that to attract people into calling her . . . and then she'll know when "the one" calls her . . . how?? Her "free tickets" offer didn't seem like very specific bait. How did she know the one who called her was the same one who emailed her? And why did he hang up on her? He recognized her voice, and figured something was up? She was counting on the immediate hang-up to clue her off, or . . .? I accepted the whole thing - that Veronica's free tickets ruse worked somehow to identify the anonymous emailer, but I didn't really get it. Anyone have any enlightening words? Way behind on posts (which look wonderfully thoughtful, BTW) and even on re-viewing, but I THINK she was able to send her free ticket email ONLY back in response to the the original anonymous email. (Carolyn tells me that it's pretty simple to disguise one's own email return address). So---she should only have received one call in response. I was confused about that too! But that seems like a very possible explanation. Thanks! I was thinking about your review for last week's episode, Sue, and your door "obsession" when I watched this week's ep. There's that fun little scene where Logan grabs Veronica's locker right before she closes it. I think Logan wants to make sure Veronica stays "open" to his love. She is the type of person to close herself off from others when she's been hurt, but Logan understands that better than anybody. Unlike Duncan, who tends to withdraw when things aren't going well, Logan takes an aggressive stance and actively works to break through her hard candy shell to find her marshmallow center.
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Post by Pixi on Nov 29, 2005 7:58:40 GMT -5
Way behind on posts (which look wonderfully thoughtful, BTW) and even on re-viewing, but I THINK she was able to send her free ticket email ONLY back in response to the the original anonymous email. (Carolyn tells me that it's pretty simple to disguise one's own email return address). So---she should only have received one call in response. I was confused about that too! But that seems like a very possible explanation. Thanks! I was thinking about your review for last week's episode, Sue, and your door "obsession" when I watched this week's ep. There's that fun little scene where Logan grabs Veronica's locker right before she closes it. I think Logan wants to make sure Veronica stays "open" to his love. She is the type of person to close herself off from others when she's been hurt, but Logan understands that better than anybody. Unlike Duncan, who tends to withdraw when things aren't going well, Logan takes an aggressive stance and actively works to break through her hard candy shell to find her marshmallow center. I love this. Nice catch Fotada. I also caught the wallpaper - as already posted, I think we were meant to catch it. I took it to hark back to the money theme but it does also work well with the is it a conspiracy theme too. I love the way everything on VM can be interpreted in so many ways and all of the with relevant meaning. I love my show!
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Post by zimshan on Nov 29, 2005 12:06:26 GMT -5
Excellent, Excellent Review Spring! This might just be my favorite review of yours yet. You revolved the whole review with a pirate theme? Oh my goodness, that's just too amazing for words!
And Spring does it again! Just an absolutely fantastic tie-in to the title!
You know, all week I was racking my brain about how it related to the title. Never got the time to just sit down with it and pick it apart but I never would have imagined just how relatable it was...
I love nothing more than this show's ability to use seemingly stupid titles that actually significiantly pull the whole episode together. Just so much fun...
I was trying to figure out how that 'simply be forgotten' line fit in. Great catch!
Oh, soo succinct! And the plank! Hehe. It just relates way too well.
Ooo. Such good comparisions!
The one thing that is interesting is that while Logan asks Veronica to save him, he also appears in saving her. The balance is there. Meanwhile Duncan invisions a Meg that needs him to save her only, (and I think he believes he alone can save himself.) There's a lopsidedness to that that I believe they are comparing for a reason.
Yes, I agree. That's what I took away from it, which confuses me. What on earth could be in that letter that would be the key to awakening her? How is opening the letter going to save her?
I never really looked at the lyrics of this song before, but very, very interesting. Although, somehow I'm seeing how this could relate back to all of our characters, Duncan, Logan, and Veronica, since this episode showed the cracks of all of them, showing how broken they all really are.
It's interesting little tidbit for those that did already know, this song was originally picked by RT to be used in 1x22 in a scene of Veronica walking Backup on the beach while thinking about Lilly. I believe it was supposed to have overlayed images of Lilly around it, but it was to be a lead-in to the scene where Logan confronts her. The scene got deleted because of time constraints but RT loved the song so much, he threw it on the soundtrack, determined to use it somewhere important and meaningful this season.
*major head nodding*
I'm not too sure that they aren't completely involoved in the bus crash just because it feels like too big of a coincidence that they were mentioned in bus crash dealings, and now end up in dealings with the Felix murder. Although I don't think they caused the crash, I think this is the first huge clue that these two big mysteries are actually quite connected….
Hehe. Yea, I noticed the major toy usage and wondered about this. Interesting thought about real vs. fake.
The waters of corruption! They seem to have set up this up last year, establishing Neptune, (God of Water) as water, and all the water metaphors related back to the corruption it represented. And it seems that's one they have not dropped this year. To my own delight! I kinda love this ongoing theme. Almost as much as the 'OMG. SYMMETRY!'. ;D
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Post by Pixi on Nov 29, 2005 12:33:13 GMT -5
Another terrific review Spring. I like this episode too. I agree especially with the kudos to the acting of the secondary characters. I loved the actor playing Danny Boyd.
So very true. And Veronica and Logan have spent the season being hurt or hurting the other haven't they? Honestly this makes me hark back to Buffy walking through the graveyard with Willow during Something Blue and talking about how can there be a great love without these things - relating it to a bad boy fixation.
I have to agree with Buffy here and was not a fan of her going with her Duncan (Riley) instead of her bad boy Spike.
And Duncan and Veronica's relationship doesn't seem to have very much hurt and pain in it does it? It's calm, safe and not painful. Duncan doesn't have her crying over his safety.
I'm going to borrow Lola's nod, nod, nod here. I agree absolutely. Far better to be in pain than to sit lonely and ignored. As a drama queen whose life is awash with great highs and great lows - I can not imagine a life of quiet isolation and of being forgotten.
I had just read the lyrics to Danny Boy on another board yesterday and thought how appropriate they were for Logan. But I didn't catch that Wake up Sleeping Beauty line. Nice!
I imagine Meg will wake up at some point. I would think from the way her story is escalating that this might be soon.
I love this. I did notice both saying that the other person was the only one who could save them. I really love this.
Thanks for adding new insight into the episode for me Spring.
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Post by zimshan on Nov 29, 2005 14:17:14 GMT -5
I was thinking about your review for last week's episode, Sue, and your door "obsession" when I watched this week's ep. There's that fun little scene where Logan grabs Veronica's locker right before she closes it. I think Logan wants to make sure Veronica stays "open" to his love. She is the type of person to close herself off from others when she's been hurt, but Logan understands that better than anybody. Unlike Duncan, who tends to withdraw when things aren't going well, Logan takes an aggressive stance and actively works to break through her hard candy shell to find her marshmallow center. OoO. That's such an awesome little thought. Symbolism in actions. I just love that.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 29, 2005 14:31:49 GMT -5
Excellent, Excellent Review Spring! This might just be my favorite review of yours yet. You revolved the whole review with a pirate theme? Oh my goodness, that's just too amazing for words! And Spring does it again! Just an absolutely fantastic tie-in to the title! You know, all week I was racking my brain about how it related to the title. Never got the time to just sit down with it and pick it apart but I never would have imagined just how relatable it was... Thanks, zimshan! These analyses are quite an effort, so it is very helpful to get encouraging words! I kinda doubt that opening the letter is going to save Meg - but I do think that opening the letter is significant in that it is a turning point for Duncan. He's been sitting around basically just waiting - and he's finally taken an ACTION, some action, any action, in regard to Meg. It think that in itself is significant. So - my thought here is that Duncan is going to be instrumental in saving Meg, and that opening the letter serves as a "first step," showing us that Duncan has "come off the fence" and will get involved. The show is so well done in just about every aspect. It really is, as you say, a delight!
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 29, 2005 14:40:56 GMT -5
Another terrific review Spring. I like this episode too. I agree especially with the kudos to the acting of the secondary characters. I loved the actor playing Danny Boyd. Thanks, Pixi! And yes, the Danny-actor was especially wonderful, I agree. He had just the right "very Irish" look, plus a certain quirkiness - he really did a great, unique job with his lines. I hope Meg will awaken soon. I am glad she didn't die in the bus crash, as I originally assumed - I love the character. Yes - and I think that both Duncan and Veronica will find that in helping/healing others, they will find some healing for themselves, and their own significant traumas. Zimshan mentioned that Duncan likely sees himself as someone who could save Meg, but doesn't realize that the "saving" might be mutual . . . I agree. I'd say this is true of Veronica also, even though Logan did, literally, save her in this episode. But whether Veronica and Duncan realize it or not, helping others to heal does have healing properties for the healer - and both of them need healing of their own wounds - so I think the benefit will be ultimately mutual.
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Post by Sharky on Nov 29, 2005 14:53:27 GMT -5
Well, after reading Spring's review of Ahoy, Matey, all I can say is "Fire bad, tree pretty."
She does such a masterful (mistressful? personful?) job of identifying themes. Bet she's a whiz at Concentration!
I seem to be falling into ny old pattern of sidekick love.... Mac is cute. More Mackage is needed, please. And, no, I never felt that way about Wallace (or Tonto, or Robin).
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Post by Pixi on Nov 29, 2005 15:39:42 GMT -5
Well, after reading Spring's review of Ahoy, Matey, all I can say is "Fire bad, tree pretty." She does such a masterful (mistressful? personful?) job of identifying themes. Bet she's a whiz at Concentration! I seem to be falling into ny old pattern of sidekick love.... Mac is cute. More Mackage is needed, please. And, no, I never felt that way about Wallace (or Tonto, or Robin). Well Mac has often been compared to early Willow so it's not surprising you have maclove.
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Post by Sharky on Nov 29, 2005 15:59:16 GMT -5
Well, after reading Spring's review of Ahoy, Matey, all I can say is "Fire bad, tree pretty." She does such a masterful (mistressful? personful?) job of identifying themes. Bet she's a whiz at Concentration! I seem to be falling into ny old pattern of sidekick love.... Mac is cute. More Mackage is needed, please. And, no, I never felt that way about Wallace (or Tonto, or Robin). Well Mac has often been compared to early Willow so it's not surprising you have maclove. Yup. I'm nothing if not consistent. Intelligence and a touch of geeky awkwardness gets me every time. Although Mac seems to have more self-esteem than early Willow.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 29, 2005 22:48:51 GMT -5
Wow! Really excellent job on this one, Spring – and there was a lot to cover in this ep! Tying your ideas back to the images of water and pirates was a perfect link to the episode title and the theme of water that tends to run through the show. The theme of invasion and torment was very accurate. I mean, we had two actual scenes of torture – physical and mental. But your list of examples really highlighted to me how completely this theme was woven into the whole episode. (And how interesting that once again they are pairing Veronica and Logan with these “matching” scenes of violence. ) I really liked how the show kept contrasting the use of of force to the use of reason. Keith uses force against the neighbor, but is wrong. He uses his detective and logic skills to figure out the person who really put the toy bus in the fish tank. Logan and Veronica each deal with violent situations that go wrong (Veronica’s taser doesn’t stop her attacker; Logan’s possession of a gun saves Veronica physically but angers her and very likely makes him a target of the Fitzpatricks), but succeed when they apply their brains (Veronica’s email and reverse directory trick get her to the right house, her earlier identification of the camp allows her to make the leap to the real person behind the harassment; Logan cleverly grabs the cell phone that lets him identify his abductor). But, oh how much I do love what you wrote about how making yourself vulnerable to attack is the only way to open up to happiness and about the consequences of all the torment we saw in this ep! All I can do is quote some favorite bits. And how perfectly does this describe the dilemma of Logan, Duncan and Veronica? Each of them struggles with how to open up when they have been so hurt before – each has chosen their own way to cope. Clever you, to point out how Meg and Logan are paralleled! I hadn’t thought of that, but we got the hint last week, didn’t we? Abuse in various forms, ending in Meg’s home – paralleling Logan’s story and reminding us of his own upbringing. Finally – brava, brava, brava on your step by step outline of the evidence so far!! That was the most logical breakdown of the saga involving Logan, the PCHers, the Fitzpatricks, Dr. Griffith and Felix that I’ve seen yet! You tied them all together very plausibly and I also agree that linking them to the bus crash (with as much as we know so far) is still a bit of a leap. The only link I can see so far is Marcos. Did he know something about the split within the PCHers? Did he get too close to the deals going on with the Fitzpatricks? Did he know what really happened on the bridge? I can see possible motives for getting rid of Marcos, but I still can’t see why a whole bus had to be taken out. Frankly, I’m starting to want to look at either the group of kids or the bus itself. I mean, any of the individuals could be killed on their own, yes? Other than the fact that a crash involving many kids is a nice cover up for the murder of an individual person, I mean. Anyway - wonderful job, Spring!
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 30, 2005 8:24:58 GMT -5
Well, after reading Spring's review of Ahoy, Matey, all I can say is "Fire bad, tree pretty." She does such a masterful (mistressful? personful?) job of identifying themes. Bet she's a whiz at Concentration! I seem to be falling into ny old pattern of sidekick love.... Mac is cute. More Mackage is needed, please. And, no, I never felt that way about Wallace (or Tonto, or Robin). Thanks, Sharky! I love Mac too, and hope we see more of her. Without a mom or sisters, Veronica needs a good girl pal!
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