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Post by Michelle on Oct 4, 2006 12:22:05 GMT -5
Parker: I really liked her. She reminded me of Audrey from Dawson's Creek with her exuberant personality. I hope the message wasn't given that Parker was sort of slutty and thus this equals more likely to be raped. I hope that's not the message. Because I really like her and all her lines. Okay, I'm going to be really un-PC here and you guys are welcome to totally disagree and indeed jump all over me, but: Being.....slutty?, loose?, promiscuous? (is there a non-perjorative word for bed-hopping?) does not make a girl more deserving (heaven forbid, nothing makes some "deserving") of rape. But more likely?....... possibly. If you are not engaging in sex at all you can certainly still be raped. And certainly you could be drugged and raped. I knew that even without season one of VM. Still with the but....if you are randomly going off to bed with guys you literally JUST met and knownothing whatsoever about are you not opening the door of opportunity for something unpleasant to be more likely to happen than someone who is more discreet with her favors (i.e. actually gets to know the guy, observes how he interacts with others, treats you as a human, etc.) Sure, that's no guarantee. And no I don't think Parker was "asking for it." But I'm still saying that such behavior yes does, in fact, potentially increase the possibility of a bad outcome. (Altho not necessarily rape.) The guy who is doing these rapes.............why should he work harder to go after some girl who won't give him the time of day if some other girl is going to make it easy on him? Did I make my thought clear? Notice I had to edit this to say "NOT engaging in sex at all" in case you read it before my edit. Good thoughts, Sue. Also, I think we saw the (sorta) flip side of Parker being raped: everything Piz owned was in his car, and it was taken away from him. He was stripped of his possessions, in particular his guitar, a symbol of his manhood. Parker was stripped of her hair, symbolic of her femininity. Two new castmembers, Parker & Piz. Parker makes herself more vulnerable to rape by being too trusting of men she doesn't even know. Piz, from a little town called Beaverton (and who apparently has never seen a black person before??), leaves his car unlocked and is entirely too trusting of the girl who claims to be part of a Welcome Wagon. OK, he didn't seem quite as upset about his loss as Parker did about being raped, but maybe that's another way of pointing out the male/female differences.
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Post by Sue on Oct 4, 2006 13:07:18 GMT -5
Okay, I'm going to be really un-PC here and you guys are welcome to totally disagree and indeed jump all over me, but: Being.....slutty?, loose?, promiscuous? (is there a non-perjorative word for bed-hopping?) does not make a girl more deserving (heaven forbid, nothing makes some "deserving") of rape. But more likely?....... possibly. If you are not engaging in sex at all you can certainly still be raped. And certainly you could be drugged and raped. I knew that even without season one of VM. Still with the but....if you are randomly going off to bed with guys you literally JUST met and knownothing whatsoever about are you not opening the door of opportunity for something unpleasant to be more likely to happen than someone who is more discreet with her favors (i.e. actually gets to know the guy, observes how he interacts with others, treats you as a human, etc.) Sure, that's no guarantee. And no I don't think Parker was "asking for it." But I'm still saying that such behavior yes does, in fact, potentially increase the possibility of a bad outcome. (Altho not necessarily rape.) The guy who is doing these rapes.............why should he work harder to go after some girl who won't give him the time of day if some other girl is going to make it easy on him? Did I make my thought clear? Notice I had to edit this to say "NOT engaging in sex at all" in case you read it before my edit. Good thoughts, Sue. Also, I think we saw the (sorta) flip side of Parker being raped: everything Piz owned was in his car, and it was taken away from him. He was stripped of his possessions, in particular his guitar, a symbol of his manhood. Parker was stripped of her hair, symbolic of her femininity. Two new castmembers, Parker & Piz. Parker makes herself more vulnerable to rape by being too trusting of men she doesn't even know. Piz, from a little town called Beaverton (and who apparently has never seen a black person before??), leaves his car unlocked and is entirely too trusting of the girl who claims to be part of a Welcome Wagon. OK, he didn't seem quite as upset about his loss as Parker did about being raped, but maybe that's another way of pointing out the male/female differences. Excellent observation about the parallels: both too trusting, both victims. Of course, he may also be less upset because loss of possessions is far less invasive than violation of person. And he recovered his possessions. Even when the raptist is caught Parker can't get back what she has lost. ( Beaverton? signaling what?)
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Post by artemis on Oct 4, 2006 13:23:59 GMT -5
Piz, from a little town called Beaverton (and who apparently has never seen a black person before??) just in case anybody doesn't know, beaverton actually isn't a little town (i'm not sure whether piz was being deliberately sarcastic on that point). it's a medium-sized city near portland, oregon.
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Post by Rob on Oct 4, 2006 17:54:03 GMT -5
Random thoughts, as per usual:
Theme music an odd departure. I have to give it a few more listens before deciding totally...new visuals were very nice, however.
I liked Piz immediately. Hopefully that first impression isn't wrong. Clearly they're setting him up as a Logan-alternative; I'll reserve judgment on that until I get to know him a little better.
Logan seems awfully self-possessed and tranquil, at least in Veronica's presence. She's good for him...though obviously it's a bad sign if he won't attend classes. Bad sign#2: Nice as it was that he took Dick into his home, Logan is in no position (aside from financial, that is) to give Dick the kind of help required. Dick had to break all the way down before anyone could start to fill that psychotic shell with anything resembling a well-adjusted human. That's going to be a tall order for the most qualified professional. It's not fair for Logan to ask that much of himself...especially since he has problems of his own.
God, it's good to see Wallace again! He's such a bright light to the show; good humor, decency...yet human enough to make the mistake of blabbing to Piz about Lily. The look on Veronica's face when Piz blurted that out was a great piece of acting by Kristen. Veronica doesn't like to be caught off-guard with a vulnerable topic like that; I'm guessing Wallace will hear of it later.
Wallace and Logan share a class, eh? Very good news for those of us who would like to see Logan build a healthier social group around him. Bad news? Wallace is going to be good friends with Piz. Something tells me Logan won't like him quite as much.
Kendall isn't dead. That is my belief. Mainly because I want to see her poolside one last time.
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Post by LadyDi on Oct 4, 2006 21:42:20 GMT -5
Hey, everybody! It's good to be back, and good to have VM back, too. Amused by the "frak" ref. I prefer "frell" myself, but I guess Farscape jsut didn't catch the zeitgist (SP?) the way BSG has. Ah, well. My first thought was maybe Vinnie showed up, and he's the one who got shot? Maybe not, tho'. Would that work? Kinda hoping it wasn't Kendall. Not wild about Piz (and what the hell kinda name is that, anyway?). Don't want anyone getting btwn LoVe. To quote Buffy, I have both been there and done that. Enough already, dammit! Keith will be ok. RT is too fond of the character. Why do you think V. got stuck going to Hearst? Sue - you'll be doing reviews again this season, yes? Hope so. Looking forward to that.
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Post by Karen on Oct 4, 2006 21:48:43 GMT -5
Hey, everybody! It's good to be back, and good to have VM back, too. Amused by the "frak" ref. I prefer "frell" myself, but I guess Farscape jsut didn't catch the zeitgist (SP?) the way BSG has. Ah, well. My first thought was maybe Vinnie showed up, and he's the one who got shot? Maybe not, tho'. Would that work? Kinda hoping it wasn't Kendall. Not wild about Piz (and what the hell kinda name is that, anyway?). Don't want anyone getting btwn LoVe. To quote Buffy, I have both been there and done that. Enough already, dammit! Keith will be ok. RT is too fond of the character. Why do you think V. got stuck going to Hearst? Sue - you'll be doing reviews again this season, yes? Hope so. Looking forward to that. Hey, Lady! Great to see you. Didn't V get stuck going to Hearst because she didn't have the money for anything else?
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Post by KMInfinity on Oct 4, 2006 22:57:56 GMT -5
Glad to be back watching VM. Loved the episode. I thought, given the need to "introduce" the characters to possible new viewers, we saw a lot of backstory and continuity, so I was pleased things weren't "superficialized' for the newbies. Not that I ever thought RT would allow that. ::whew:: Hubby finished S1 over the summer and started wathcing S3, skipping S2, which I figure we'll watch next summer. He LOVED the show, moreso than the ending episodes of S1, much to my surprise. So I hope that indicates what new viewers might think. He hasn't twigged that Beaver is dead, but picked up on the bad juju with Beaver and Mac and Dick, of course, but I'm leaving the spoiler scenes for him to decipher and am remaining mute in the face of questions. Meanwhile....pretty good news: www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20061004cw01
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Post by Michelle on Oct 5, 2006 8:09:15 GMT -5
Hey, everybody! It's good to be back, and good to have VM back, too. Amused by the "frak" ref. I prefer "frell" myself, but I guess Farscape jsut didn't catch the zeitgist (SP?) the way BSG has. Ah, well. My first thought was maybe Vinnie showed up, and he's the one who got shot? Maybe not, tho'. Would that work? Kinda hoping it wasn't Kendall. Not wild about Piz (and what the hell kinda name is that, anyway?). Don't want anyone getting btwn LoVe. To quote Buffy, I have both been there and done that. Enough already, dammit! Keith will be ok. RT is too fond of the character. Why do you think V. got stuck going to Hearst? Sue - you'll be doing reviews again this season, yes? Hope so. Looking forward to that. Hey, Lady Di! Good to "see" you again. As far as who got shot, the general concensus is that it was Kendall, but I had thought it was Liam. To me, that would make for sense, but sense isn't always the guiding force on VM. The reason I thought Liam was shot is because just before the gunshot, Keith discovers the wire Vinnie planted, and Keith remarks that he hopes Vinnie wasn't working for Liam. So my mind immediately went to--Liam has been clued in to their whereabouts by Vinnie, so he shows up right at that moment, and his brother shoots him. As Sue and others pointed out, if it was his intention all along to shoot Kendall, why not wait to do it until after Keith has left? Also, what I don't understand is what the point was in the story for the car to break down. Unless...huh...it was to have Cormac explain the dangers of being stranded out in the desert, and now Keith is going to be on the run.
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Post by Sue on Oct 5, 2006 10:01:47 GMT -5
Random thoughts, as per usual: Theme music an odd departure. I have to give it a few more listens before deciding totally...new visuals were very nice, however. I liked Piz immediately. Hopefully that first impression isn't wrong. Clearly they're setting him up as a Logan-alternative; I'll reserve judgment on that until I get to know him a little better. Logan seems awfully self-possessed and tranquil, at least in Veronica's presence. She's good for him...though obviously it's a bad sign if he won't attend classes. Bad sign#2: Nice as it was that he took Dick into his home, Logan is in no position (aside from financial, that is) to give Dick the kind of help required. Dick had to break all the way down before anyone could start to fill that psychotic shell with anything resembling a well-adjusted human. That's going to be a tall order for the most qualified professional. It's not fair for Logan to ask that much of himself...especially since he has problems of his own. God, it's good to see Wallace again! He's such a bright light to the show; good humor, decency...yet human enough to make the mistake of blabbing to Piz about Lily. The look on Veronica's face when Piz blurted that out was a great piece of acting by Kristen. Veronica doesn't like to be caught off-guard with a vulnerable topic like that; I'm guessing Wallace will hear of it later. Wallace and Logan share a class, eh? Very good news for those of us who would like to see Logan build a healthier social group around him. Bad news? Wallace is going to be good friends with Piz. Something tells me Logan won't like him quite as much. Kendall isn't dead. That is my belief. Mainly because I want to see her poolside one last time. In her flowing caftan?
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Post by Sue on Oct 5, 2006 10:03:02 GMT -5
Hey, everybody! It's good to be back, and good to have VM back, too. Amused by the "frak" ref. I prefer "frell" myself, but I guess Farscape jsut didn't catch the zeitgist (SP?) the way BSG has. Ah, well. My first thought was maybe Vinnie showed up, and he's the one who got shot? Maybe not, tho'. Would that work? Kinda hoping it wasn't Kendall. Not wild about Piz (and what the hell kinda name is that, anyway?). Don't want anyone getting btwn LoVe. To quote Buffy, I have both been there and done that. Enough already, dammit! Keith will be ok. RT is too fond of the character. Why do you think V. got stuck going to Hearst? Sue - you'll be doing reviews again this season, yes? Hope so. Looking forward to that. Why thank you Diane. I resigned last spring, but fortunately for all S'cubies the lovely, brilliant and perceptive Fotada will be stepping in to overflow my shoes in the review dept!
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Post by Sue on Oct 5, 2006 10:03:56 GMT -5
Glad to be back watching VM. Loved the episode. I thought, given the need to "introduce" the characters to possible new viewers, we saw a lot of backstory and continuity, so I was pleased things weren't "superficialized' for the newbies. Not that I ever thought RT would allow that. ::whew:: Hubby finished S1 over the summer and started wathcing S3, skipping S2, which I figure we'll watch next summer. He LOVED the show, moreso than the ending episodes of S1, much to my surprise. So I hope that indicates what new viewers might think. He hasn't twigged that Beaver is dead, but picked up on the bad juju with Beaver and Mac and Dick, of course, but I'm leaving the spoiler scenes for him to decipher and am remaining mute in the face of questions. Meanwhile....pretty good news: www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20061004cw01Hey Karen! One of the best things about VM restarting is hearing from you and Diane and other MIA S'cubies!
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Post by Sue on Oct 5, 2006 10:06:11 GMT -5
Hey, everybody! It's good to be back, and good to have VM back, too. Amused by the "frak" ref. I prefer "frell" myself, but I guess Farscape jsut didn't catch the zeitgist (SP?) the way BSG has. Ah, well. My first thought was maybe Vinnie showed up, and he's the one who got shot? Maybe not, tho'. Would that work? Kinda hoping it wasn't Kendall. Not wild about Piz (and what the hell kinda name is that, anyway?). Don't want anyone getting btwn LoVe. To quote Buffy, I have both been there and done that. Enough already, dammit! Keith will be ok. RT is too fond of the character. Why do you think V. got stuck going to Hearst? Sue - you'll be doing reviews again this season, yes? Hope so. Looking forward to that. Oh and 30 years ago I was part of a non-denominational youth evangelism group (Young Life) as a teen. The leaders used the word "Frit" all the time as their make-believe cuss word. Back then the f-word was unthinkable so clearly this was a substitute for the "--it" word. Clearly ahead of their time.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 5, 2006 12:37:19 GMT -5
Good thoughts, Sue. Also, I think we saw the (sorta) flip side of Parker being raped: everything Piz owned was in his car, and it was taken away from him. He was stripped of his possessions, in particular his guitar, a symbol of his manhood. Parker was stripped of her hair, symbolic of her femininity. Two new castmembers, Parker & Piz. Parker makes herself more vulnerable to rape by being too trusting of men she doesn't even know. Piz, from a little town called Beaverton (and who apparently has never seen a black person before??), leaves his car unlocked and is entirely too trusting of the girl who claims to be part of a Welcome Wagon. OK, he didn't seem quite as upset about his loss as Parker did about being raped, but maybe that's another way of pointing out the male/female differences. Excellent observation about the parallels: both too trusting, both victims. Of course, he may also be less upset because loss of possessions is far less invasive than violation of person. And he recovered his possessions. Even when the raptist is caught Parker can't get back what she has lost. ( Beaverton? signaling what?) Eetah - most interesting comments, Fotada! And I didn't even think about the Beaverton thing . . . it is an interesting choice of town name.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 5, 2006 12:40:29 GMT -5
Random thoughts, as per usual: Theme music an odd departure. I have to give it a few more listens before deciding totally...new visuals were very nice, however. I too am somewhat on the fence about the music. I'm definitely not in the camp of totally hating it, but I need to hear it more. **nods** An even more pathetic commentary on Dick's life is that apparently Logan is it in terms of a suppport network. Where is his mom, I want to know? Still in Europe with her "new family"? **much nodding to all of this as well** ;D Also, it would be too simple.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 5, 2006 12:41:26 GMT -5
Hey, everybody! It's good to be back, and good to have VM back, too. Amused by the "frak" ref. I prefer "frell" myself, but I guess Farscape jsut didn't catch the zeitgist (SP?) the way BSG has. Ah, well. My first thought was maybe Vinnie showed up, and he's the one who got shot? Maybe not, tho'. Would that work? Kinda hoping it wasn't Kendall. Not wild about Piz (and what the hell kinda name is that, anyway?). Don't want anyone getting btwn LoVe. To quote Buffy, I have both been there and done that. Enough already, dammit! Keith will be ok. RT is too fond of the character. Why do you think V. got stuck going to Hearst? Sue - you'll be doing reviews again this season, yes? Hope so. Looking forward to that. #wavey# Frak is just the more "current" phrase, I guess. Frell would be old school.
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