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Post by Rob on Oct 5, 2006 17:27:53 GMT -5
Kendall isn't dead. That is my belief. Mainly because I want to see her poolside one last time. In her flowing caftan? Clothing optional.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 7, 2006 10:16:39 GMT -5
intro criminology. So Veronica's jumping right into it. this show always makes the teachers look awesome and learning look like so much fun. Was this a real game? Riff on spoiler wars. cool new credits. The theme song's remixed. I don't know how I feel about it, except that it's like what they did to the Enterprise theme, changing it, but not really changing it. What inspired them to change the credits anyway? Logan has a BFF too. Hee. Dick was visiting his dad in the Cayman's. So they know where he is, they just can't extricate him. How Logan and Dick got into Hearst. I guess they're just glossing over how Veronica had applied all along as a "back up" of sorts. Effect of Cassidy. Brief. I hope there'll be more. So reference to the NYC trip. Keith showed up three days late. So Veronica did get on the plane. Good for her. Veronica's also OK with Keith semi-bailing. (yes?) So she knows why (?), but they don't discuss it here. What is it with new characters and bad hair? Ah, the tv college dorm room. Dude, this is why you always lock your car. True sign of an outsider; thinks the police will handle it. Piz is from Beaverton (*snort*), OR Veronica doesn't watch Battlestar Galactica. So... Keith's not chasing a bail jumper. Who the hell is this guy? Ah, the raped/head shaved. 3? in what span of time? So rapist is tooking for a particular profile of his victims? Wow, overreacting a little? Though if campus administration is like Neptune givernment, then maybe not. Aaaand it's Dick. Sounds about right. So this is Kendall's boyfriend? And Keith helped her disappear and got him out. So... there was a massive amount of money in the briefcase, and that's what he was doing for three days. Logan and Veronica actually having sex. Doesn't seem so romantic though. Logan answered the phone. Hee. Saturn for a Mars in Neptune. BWAH!!! This chick looks a little like Paris (from Gilmore Girls) Colin Firth? I thought he was out of fashion. Everyone party cheering to Veronica's PSA. Disturbing. A fat suit. Why? Dick and Mac about Cassidy. Cassidy's clothes? Logan's not showing up for classes. Doesn't bode well. Logan's trying, but he's going to fuck up somehow. Veronica's birthday is towards the beginning of school. Dick is majorly screwed up. He's not going to get away with his schtick in college. Reference to Lilly. Veronica hesistant to refer to Logan as her boyfriend? CC's tatoo! Cute. Keith's car is bugged. Soooo... this dude was just trying to find Kendall and not her boyfriend?? Where the hell is Logan's new place? And Dick actually has feelings! Interesting!!! Parker's going to be the next raped victim... Yep. ETA: So Veronica actually lent Piz *Duncan's* clothes, ones that he left behind. That makes more sense
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Post by Sue on Oct 7, 2006 11:05:46 GMT -5
this show always makes the teachers look awesome and learning look like so much fun. Rob, of course, was a teacher. Interesting (and hopeful) that he still has a high view of the profession instead of being bitter about the poor teachers. Inspire by example pershaps? Writing the teachers as he wishes them to be? Oh yeah. What a hoot. No and no and no and no. Ah. Thank you. And, in spite of multiple previoius comments by others the penny finally drops: V lends P clothes and then L comments on the argyle sweater. Piz is the new Duncan in V's life?
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 7, 2006 22:15:03 GMT -5
Thought the ep was a good intro ep.
Wasn't crazy about Piz, but I'm willing to give him a chance.
I never thought that Kendall had been killed. I thought that Liam had showed up, since that's what Keith was running back in to tell them - no? - and Liam got shot and killed.
What's his name . . . Kendall's boyfriend . . . he seemed to think Keith had betrayed them . . . he wouldn't think this unless he had seen Liam, no?
I just never thought we were even meant to think Kendall might be shot. Maybe I am missing something. But that is how it played for me.
Will have Fotada's review up soon. We are having some "first time coordination" technical difficulties.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 8, 2006 8:58:56 GMT -5
S’cubies! All aboard who’s coming aboard!!The Veronica Mars review of the Season 3 premeire is now available. Go to www.soulfulspike.com and read :[/size] WELCOME WAGON: All Aboard! – by Fotada You can also access it directly by clicking on the image, below:There’s another premiere here – Fotada’s premiere! And an excellent effort it is. Please give her your feedback over on the VM ep 3.1 thread, here.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 8, 2006 9:03:07 GMT -5
Loved the review, Fotada, and I will have more comments later - but quick question for you and everyone:
I watched the ep once, and with half-an-eye, so . . . I am not understanding the theory about Cormac killing Kendall. If Cormac was betraying Kendall with Liam, why would Liam need Vinnie and the homing device (if that is what it was)?
What I thought I saw: Keith finds some kind of homing device that Vinnie has planted. He realizes Vinnie was working with Liam. He runs back in to warn Kendall. He sees Cormac shoot someone. He runs away. He gets shot. Cormac says something about how Kendall wasn't a very good judge of character (here, I was thinking he was referring to Keith betraying them, not realizing about the Vinnie-thing).
If Kendall was shot . . . how does that scenario play? Why was Vinnie involved if Cormac and Liam were working together? What need for Vinnie and his pen?
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Post by Michelle on Oct 8, 2006 9:24:08 GMT -5
Loved the review, Fotada, and I will have more comments later - but quick question for you and everyone: I watched the ep once, and with half-an-eye, so . . . I am not understanding the theory about Cormac killing Kendall. If Cormac was betraying Kendall with Liam, why would Liam need Vinnie and the homing device (if that is what it was)? What I thought I saw: Keith finds some kind of homing device that Vinnie has planted. He realizes Vinnie was working with Liam. He runs back in to warn Kendall. He sees Cormac shoot someone. He runs away. He gets shot. Cormac says something about how Kendall wasn't a very good judge of character (here, I was thinking he was referring to Keith betraying them, not realizing about the Vinnie-thing). If Kendall was shot . . . how does that scenario play? Why was Vinnie involved if Cormac and Liam were working together? What need for Vinnie and his pen? Actually, I agree with your viewing of it Spring, but every post I've seen on LJ seems to believe he shot Kendall, so that's how I went in my review. Here's an exchange I had with someone. I said: I wasn't sure if Kendall was shot or Liam. It would make more sense that it would be Liam, because the bug that Vinnie planted is what would have brought him to Cormac & Kendall's hideout at about that time. Cormac would automatically assume that Keith sold him out to Liam, and he's a 'shoot first, ask question later' type, so he shoots Liam and then Keith is next on his 'to be shot' list. Their reply was: I don't see why Cormac would specifically mention that Kendall could not have been that great a judge of character after all, unless it was so that the audience would know exactly who he killed. Plus, the Fitzpatricks have always been portrayed as very loyal to one another (I think that's one of the first things we learned about them), so Cormac killing his own brother doesn't seem all that likely.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 8, 2006 9:30:57 GMT -5
Loved the review, Fotada, and I will have more comments later - but quick question for you and everyone: I watched the ep once, and with half-an-eye, so . . . I am not understanding the theory about Cormac killing Kendall. If Cormac was betraying Kendall with Liam, why would Liam need Vinnie and the homing device (if that is what it was)? What I thought I saw: Keith finds some kind of homing device that Vinnie has planted. He realizes Vinnie was working with Liam. He runs back in to warn Kendall. He sees Cormac shoot someone. He runs away. He gets shot. Cormac says something about how Kendall wasn't a very good judge of character (here, I was thinking he was referring to Keith betraying them, not realizing about the Vinnie-thing). If Kendall was shot . . . how does that scenario play? Why was Vinnie involved if Cormac and Liam were working together? What need for Vinnie and his pen? Actually, I agree with your viewing of it Spring, but every post I've seen on LJ seems to believe he shot Kendall, so that's how I went in my review. Here's an exchange I had with someone. I said: I wasn't sure if Kendall was shot or Liam. It would make more sense that it would be Liam, because the bug that Vinnie planted is what would have brought him to Cormac & Kendall's hideout at about that time. Cormac would automatically assume that Keith sold him out to Liam, and he's a 'shoot first, ask question later' type, so he shoots Liam and then Keith is next on his 'to be shot' list. Their reply was: I don't see why Cormac would specifically mention that Kendall could not have been that great a judge of character after all, unless it was so that the audience would know exactly who he killed. Plus, the Fitzpatricks have always been portrayed as very loyal to one another (I think that's one of the first things we learned about them), so Cormac killing his own brother doesn't seem all that likely. Ah! And to me, the answer to that is: Cormac was talking about Kendall trusting Keith. Cormac, knowing nothing about Vinnie and his pen, is naturally assuming that Keith betrayed them (Keith betrayed Kendall & Cormac, by telling Liam where they were, or letting Liam follow them somehow, etc). ETA: Am not saying that Cormac might not have shot Kendall, am just saying I don't understand how that works. What's the thought there? Why did Liam need Vinnie? Or . . .? So - not saying it's not a possibility, just saying I, personally, am not seeing it.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 8, 2006 11:58:53 GMT -5
Fotada!Nice work. I liked the “Where We’ve Been, Where We Are, Where We’re Going” organization of it all. Made it an easy, engaging read, and it's very appropriate for the opening ep, as our regulars start college. Nice catch on the frequent reference to “appearance” and its importance or lack thereof. You’re right it is a continuing theme. Nothing is ever quite what it appears in VM. Trust & betrayal – yes, another theme. Piz leaves his car unlocked – a mistake! Where to draw the line? You have to trust . . . when are you being too trusting, when are you not trusting enough? When can you trust others, when can you trust yourself? As I mentioned above, I’m not a subscriber to the Kendall got shot theory. I think Cormac killed Liam, who followed them there, using Vinnie’s pen. Then he turned on Keith, thinking Keith had betrayed him. I could most definitely be wrong; I just can’t, at this point, make sense of it any other way. I might have missed some clues, definitely. I confess I only watched it once, while distracted . . . so make of this what you will. Loved this: Love the very appropriate Dick/Parker comparison. Very nice insight. Never occurred to me at all. And yes – well put – currently, Dick is his own worst enemy. I hope he lets Logan help him. This could help Logan as well – not to dwell on his own traumas and to heal by helping others who are in even worse shape. Did anyone else think that we were being led to wonder if Dick had raped Parker? Not that he did; I doubt this very, very, very much. But I just felt like the suggestion was being made, since Dick is coming on to women, being a huge jerk, and then, after Parker is raped, shows up at Logan saying he screwed up royal and looking like he’s been in some kind of tussle. And yes: *Cough* on the “Beaverton!” Are we meant to start thinking of Piz as another possible “Beaver,” i.e., not what he seems? I’ll take a stab at your questions for the anal-retentive (not that I am!): Is Logan living in the same penthouse as where his father was shot? I’m guessing YES. Has Veronica quit working at the Hut? Guessing NO. She still needs the $$. Does Logan ever use toothpaste when he brushes his teeth? Every other day Why does Keith drive a crap Taurus while Veronica gets to have a brand new Saturn? His other car is a Rolls Royce.
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Post by Squeemonster on Oct 8, 2006 12:03:39 GMT -5
Wonderful review, Fotada! Congratulations!! #clap#
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 8, 2006 16:28:44 GMT -5
Excellent first review, Fotada! #claps# We do? Or did some character make that reference that I overlooked? Nice observation that both Piz and Parker are "lovers." Er, in the manner that you described, I mean. Nice.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 8, 2006 19:28:13 GMT -5
Fotada! So great to see your first analysis - I'm so excited that we'll have another great pair of reviewers again this season. I liked your section headings of "where we've been" "where we are" and "where we're going" - it was a good way to organize the ideas and it really fit this ep in particular. (Heee! Letting go of our opening credits. ;D ) Nice linking of the past to the current by pointing out the common threads of VM, false images and issues of trust and betrayal. I love that these are repeating themes in VM particularly because they are such noir themes. But I also really liked the two themes because: * you identified the main ways they were used in the ep (your bullet point list of questions people should have been asking), linking up the COTW to the longer mysteries of the rapist and Kendall's story * they also were applicable when you explored the character-based storylines as a way to talk about future possibilities. Finally, the comparison of Parker and Dick was most excellent! Very nice job, Fotada, very nice!
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Post by Michelle on Oct 8, 2006 19:28:35 GMT -5
Loved this: Love the very appropriate Dick/Parker comparison. Very nice insight. Never occurred to me at all. And yes – well put – currently, Dick is his own worst enemy. I hope he lets Logan help him. This could help Logan as well – not to dwell on his own traumas and to heal by helping others who are in even worse shape. Did anyone else think that we were being led to wonder if Dick had raped Parker? Not that he did; I doubt this very, very, very much. But I just felt like the suggestion was being made, since Dick is coming on to women, being a huge jerk, and then, after Parker is raped, shows up at Logan saying he screwed up royal and looking like he’s been in some kind of tussle. Yup, I think we were being (mis)led to think Dick might be the rapist, but I simply can't believe they would have Beaver be the Big Bad last season, and his brother Dick be one this season. So, I'm not giving it much creedence. Aaah! Good question!! It will be interesting to see where they take his character. Ha! I'm sure you're right about all of these!
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Post by Michelle on Oct 8, 2006 19:29:04 GMT -5
Wonderful review, Fotada! Congratulations!! Thanks! Glad you liked it!
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Post by Michelle on Oct 8, 2006 19:38:41 GMT -5
We do? Or did some character make that reference that I overlooked? Sorry, I wasn't very clear about that! I think it was significant that Veronica commented on the poster of Colin Farrell on Parker & Mac's wall. Parker says that she thinks Colin is "soulful and troubled and deep." Sounds a bit like how fans view Logan, right? And Veronica tells Parker that if she does ever get together with Colin, she should get her shots. What that says about how she thinks of Logan, I'll let you decide. Anyway, when you view them side by side, you can see (if you squint a little) that they do bear some resemblance to each other: Hee! Well put.
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