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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:04:30 GMT -5
Good night, Milady.
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Sleep well.
David Crenshaw
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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:05:49 GMT -5
Jasmine ? OK, maybe she isn?t evil after all. Considering her speech about there being no absolutes, and then the way Lilah shows up and makes the comments about destroying world peace, I?m wondering if Jasmine wasn?t some all-powerful being who was doing what she thought she had to in order to save the world. I?m not suggesting she?s all good. But now I?m thinking her parallel might not be to TFE but instead to Inca Mummy Girl, who only wanted to live but had to kill to do it. Inca Mummy Girl is one of the hardest of Buffy?s adversaries to hate (along with April, Warren?s robotic girlfriend) because she wasn?t inherently evil, she just got a raw deal and did what she had to in order to survive. I?m starting to think that perhaps that?s the way Jasmine saw it too, that she was more or less straight-up with Angel all along about her intentions
David, she's EVIL. That whole I'm going to give em what's good for them despite themselves vs. free will argument. Forced goodness is evil. And don't forget the yummy people treats aspect either...
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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:07:30 GMT -5
They feel like my friends. If my friends were leaving and there was a possibility I'd never see them again, I'd want to know they were happy.
I feel the same way. Oddly though, I still trust Joss to make it end well. This is after all the REAL ending, and I don't think he's going to end the show with everyone estranged and miserable. Oh, there will be misery and pain and death and destruction, but he loves these people too. They are his children. I don't know why I still believe he will give us - if not a happy fairytale ending, at least a satisfying, 'right' ending. After all the pain, I still have to remember that he's also given so much pleasure. And this post is sounding really S&M and I didn't mean it that way. I just wanted to comfort you, but I think I'm too tired to make sense. I've been working on my convention report and it is a slow process listening to a tape, stopping, typing, rewinding, listening, repeat til exhaustion... but I'm going to stop now and go to bed. Night guys...
Patti T.
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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:09:10 GMT -5
But then that's also why I left the Baptist church -- one too many times of listening to the preacher say how we all need to repent, and not one person in the congragation realizing the message was for them.
So many similarities...
Patti T.
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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:10:25 GMT -5
David said, "All I ever ask is that there be some sort of link between responses, like a piece of the text or the name of the person who said the initial thought, either in the subject line or the beginning of the new post."
How about a trade, David? I'll always refer to the previous post when I'm answering someone, and you use the "Post New Message" button unless your post relates to the initial one using the subject header (OR...you delete all the unnecessary Re:'s in the subject header for your posts).
Courtesy for courtesy. Deal?
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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:11:48 GMT -5
Patti T said in 21/470, "Buffy is looking into his eyes and stroking his...hand...stroking his hand, is in a way, more meaningful than...oh crap, I can't even pretend I believe this myself. GET ON WITH SHAGGING SPIKE, BUFFY you IDIOT! "
Gee, Patti, you had me believing you about the Spuffy romantic versus carnal activity. I think that writers' minds tell them that the fans need to have the hand holding "crap" to allow us to distinguish between that and the abusive sex that went before.
But the fans don't need to have it pounded into them that this time it's different. Sheesh!
So, "GET ON WITH SHAGGING SPIKE, BUFFY you IDIOT!" (Thanks, Patti.)
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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:13:12 GMT -5
My husband and I just returned from the gas station and as we parked in front of our house I heard someone sawing wood next door in the high school. The sound came from up on the roof of their administration building. I just thought it was weird at 10:30 at night, so I called the police.
Turned out to be someone actually trying to break into the school's admin building. My son and husband gave me feedback to tell 911 while keeping watch on the perp as he hid under a nextdoor tree to escape the helicopter. Several police cars converged on our street and chased the guy, finally bagging him.
I think the helicopter used infra-red in the dark to follow the perp. Just like "Cops." Exciting, Huh?
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:14:30 GMT -5
Exciting indeed! Next time they show "Cops" from San Jose, I'll be sure and watch for you! ;-)
Miss Pamela
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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:16:37 GMT -5
*looks sheepish*
Sorry...I was feeling overwhelmed there..and other things were making me cranky. I am better now *L*
Okay, I watched Angel (good ep!)
I have removed Patti's emailed pics from the scubiemail bag thus freeing it up for other submissions (Patti, please, on the rest of the pics, only send like two to an email... it really bogs everything down when I have to wait for all them to open at once in order to save them. Thanks.)
And I am now reading through the rest of the posts at breakneck speed.
I noticed two requests for profile forms. I'll be getting htose out soon but I do feel the need to read all the posts first. Sorry for any inconvenience.
Patti- Send your remaining pics and your writeup when you are ready. If it gets bounced back to you, be patient and try later. It means that my mailbox is full again from the "Save the Soulful Spike Society Campaign" (the Archival Project). Again, sorry for any inconvenience...I am going as fast as I can.
Vlad, TA, tp
Edited By Vlad I at 5/1/2003 3:04:00 AM.
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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:17:50 GMT -5
Damn... I'm gone 9 hours and over 300 new posts including another S3 thread! *sigh*
I can't believe the idiots at Simon & Schuster must actually think that fans don't want to read anymore "Buffy" novels with the show ending, or that WB would even consider NOT renewing "Angel" (not to mention ScoopMe.com going away). Guess especially the folks at S&S never heard of or don't remember what happened after the original "Star Trek" went off the air.
All they have to do is look at how much WE enjoy discussing not just our primary focus of "All Things Spike / James Marsters", but any and everything even remotely related to the JossVerse. The show(s) may end, but the characters and the story is now part of fiction legend and immortality.
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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:18:57 GMT -5
Well, and I missed you again on the board!! I'm so sorry, but there's always tomorrow (or well, later today)!
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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:20:12 GMT -5
//David, she's EVIL. That whole I'm going to give em what's good for them despite themselves vs. free will argument. Forced goodness is evil. And don't forget the yummy people treats aspect either... //
Patti, I was referring not to her ends but to her motives. I don't argue that taking away free will is a bad thing, but there are times I wish God would take away my free will as I continue to screw up different things, the way we humans are prone to do. I'm suggesting that it's possible she was a being that perhaps did love the world so much that she thought she could make it better by taking away the free will; and like she thought, killing a few thousand is a small price to pay to save billions from war, greed, starvation, etc.
In the end, she was wrong. And yes, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. But does someone who tries to do what they think is a good thing, however in the end it's really a bad thing, does that make the person evil?
Compare this to Spike's attack on Buffy last year, which this board has been quick to say was not rape because it wasn't Spike's intention. Spike's motives weren't evil, but his outcome looked remarkably like rape (I say "looked" on purpose, because I too agree it wasn't his motive and it's not fair to call it that). Spike's intentions were good (more or less), but his outcome was bad -- does that make him evil? And if not, how is that different from Jasmine?
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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:21:19 GMT -5
Not that it's etched in stone, but I think we S'Cubies have shown that we truly were an onyxpected force to be reckoned with - like diamonds in the rough. Early on some us knew that we'd ultimately micah good discussion group on our own without having to shale ourselves short by limiting topics so narrowly or by having to hide our intellect, wit, and at times outright bawdiness.
Yes - some may think we've lost our marbles, but too bad! We indeed rock SO much that we cannot merely be taken for granite anymore!
(And no, I'm not from Flint, Michigan)
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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:22:50 GMT -5
//How about a trade, David? I'll always refer to the previous post when I'm answering someone, and you use the "Post New Message" button unless your post relates to the initial one using the subject header (OR...you delete all the unnecessary Re:'s in the subject header for your posts).//
Deal.
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Post by Dalton on Sept 9, 2003 17:24:15 GMT -5
I second the people who say that Gilmore Girls is not a bad Tueday night at 8:00 choice next year. I watch it whenever Buffy's not new, and it's not bad. No comparison which I'd pick if I could have only one though. Amd next year Jane Epsensen will be writing for it, so if you like her Buffy episodes then you might like her GG ones.
As for the Angel episode. Wow. Although I'm confused. Is Jasmine definitely a former Power that Be, of the ones who chose Angel as their champion? Or some other power that was? And is she evil? I can't think she's good... after all, besides the lack of free will thing, which of course is bad, there's the fact that when she lost her main powers, all she wanted to do was destroy since she couldn't have her way. Besides, that was a pretty unpleasant vision of the world she wanted to create anyway. It's very much like the book Brave New World. A world with no conflict and everyone simply floats around in a state of drug induced happiness is not a better world, because what makes us human is lost.
That said, so has Angel in fact chosen the WRONG side of the Apocolypse? And if the world hasn't been destroyed yet, what makes this the Apocolypse? Is that going to be the first evil induced one? please let this tie in SOMEHOW. There's only one episode left to do it in, I want some ANSWERS. Maybe Jasmine knew the first evil was coming, and wanted to stop the Apocolypse the only way she knew how? Didn't she say she wanted to eradicate ALL evil, the very thing that they keep saying on Buffy can't be eradicated because it's within us. Thus making the first evil undefeatable, in the scoobies' minds. So would that make her good but misguided? But even if she is against the first evil, I think what she said about there being no good or evil is a lot like what TFE as the Master said about it's not about Right, it's not about wrong, it's about Power...
Oh dear. Now I'm talking in circles. I better go to bed. I can't imagine I'll be able to post as much tomorrow (today, actually) as I did today (yesterday) since my boss is going to be back from his business trip but it's been fun.
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