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Post by Lola m on Sept 11, 2007 21:46:31 GMT -5
Well, I can't begin to compare with all the deep philosophical talk (though reading it was great). I concur with Shan that I don't think it's (so far) all that dark. More adult, sure, but so far it's just not silly the way DW often is. (In a good way; I love the silly.) And I agree that the reason that Jack possibly cares so much what the dead guy saw is because either he's seen something and wants to find out if it's just him, or a universal something...or because now that he can't die, he desperately wants to know what comes next for everyone else. I find it fascinating that TARDIS!Rose made Jack into a semi-Timelord. And I'm dying to know if she did it on purpose, or it's just a side-effect of having been brought back by the energy of the Time Vortex. It's sort of regeneration...does it work that way on everyone? What's gonna happen to Rose when she dies? **nods** I want more detail on all of what happened to Jack. And how he got from there to where he is now. And that is a very interesting question about Rose.
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Post by Lola m on Sept 11, 2007 21:47:32 GMT -5
So am I the only one wondering if there's any significance to the choice of Gwen as Ms. Cooper's first name, given that Eve Myles previously appeared in the Doctor Who ep "The Unquiet Dead" (the one from the CE season that featured Charles Dickens) as a character named Gwyneth? Ancestress, perhaps?
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Post by Lola m on Sept 11, 2007 21:50:46 GMT -5
Whoa. Shot in the head; I actually gasped...so Bad Wolf saved Captain Jack. Unaware of the side effects, perhaps? Or was that the intention all along? Now we have two who can regenerate, after a fashion. Maybe Jack is the ultimate companion, seeing as he can't be killed either. This is excellent, really. Dark, yes; but I really liked how the character of Suzie underscored the point of being too insulated and how that warps your sense of reality. I may have to re-watch. But, if memory serves, Jack was around when all his men got killed either in Africa during one of the wars of the late 19th early 20th centuries and was "killed" as well, but somehow wasn't. Either he traveled back in time after "Bad Wolf" or this whole inability to die gift imparted by the Tardis happened long before "Bad Wolf" and those DW eps. Becca? Riff? Anyone around to clarify this for me so when I re-watch I can just sit back and enjoy the the hotness that is Jack show rather than look for the answer? ;D **waits for any clarification/additional info too, while happily contemplating the hotness that is Jack**
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Sept 12, 2007 0:36:54 GMT -5
I can't help but love any show that gives me a threesome in the very first ep. Even if it was an ethically questionable threesome, what with the not really consent thing. A recent interview really irritated me because apparently the writers thought it was just funny and because the girl was looking at Owen she was asking for it. They never even mentioned the guy. Link and my reaction hereit's like they didn't even notice the consent issues. makes me worry about some people. relevant quote: In fact, some of the fans who saw the UK airing of "Torchwood" were concerned about the scene early in the series where Owen uses a pheromone spray to attract a reluctant woman. They felt that the woman couldn't consent and so it was a form of sexual assault. Chibnall states emphatically that they never meant to give that impression. "Obviously, people can read things the way they want, and that's the great thing about drama. That's not the intention of that scene. It's not directed in that way. It's not written that way. Also, why would we have that character as a hero? No. Maybe we didn't make it clear enough, I don't know, but it's absolutely not the intention." "The spray only accentuates feelings that are already there," suggests Clarke. "Yeah," agrees Chibnall. "And actually, if you look at the way the scene is directed - she's looking at him, she's eyeing him up. You know, it's meant to be comic. Really. It's a comic scene. And sometimes I think when you interpret comic scenes in a very serious way, it forces a misreading. It's a tricky one." Chibnall adds, "When you write something, you never know how it's going to be interpreted, you know, and you can't really correct that. You have to let the discussion go." *** /quote *** 1) they think Owen is a hero? What show are they watching? 2) looking at a man is apparently invitation to be drugged 3) some people *seriously* don't get it I has a whole lot of think about this point at beccaelizabeth.livejournal.com/tag/torchwood+1-01including a poll where the results were really not good.
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Post by beccaelizabeth on Sept 12, 2007 0:37:37 GMT -5
Whoa. Shot in the head; I actually gasped...so Bad Wolf saved Captain Jack. Unaware of the side effects, perhaps? Or was that the intention all along? Now we have two who can regenerate, after a fashion. Maybe Jack is the ultimate companion, seeing as he can't be killed either. This is excellent, really. Dark, yes; but I really liked how the character of Suzie underscored the point of being too insulated and how that warps your sense of reality. I may have to re-watch. But, if memory serves, Jack was around when all his men got killed either in Africa during one of the wars of the late 19th early 20th centuries and was "killed" as well, but somehow wasn't. Either he traveled back in time after "Bad Wolf" or this whole inability to die gift imparted by the Tardis happened long before "Bad Wolf" and those DW eps. Becca? Riff? Anyone around to clarify this for me so when I re-watch I can just sit back and enjoy the the hotness that is Jack show rather than look for the answer? ;D There are answers, in the Doctor Who season 3 episode Utopia. Putting them in this thread would put them like two seasons early.
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Post by Onjel on Sept 12, 2007 7:48:56 GMT -5
I may have to re-watch. But, if memory serves, Jack was around when all his men got killed either in Africa during one of the wars of the late 19th early 20th centuries and was "killed" as well, but somehow wasn't. Either he traveled back in time after "Bad Wolf" or this whole inability to die gift imparted by the Tardis happened long before "Bad Wolf" and those DW eps. Becca? Riff? Anyone around to clarify this for me so when I re-watch I can just sit back and enjoy the the hotness that is Jack show rather than look for the answer? ;D There are answers, in the Doctor Who season 3 episode Utopia. Putting them in this thread would put them like two seasons early. Ah. Okay. Thanks. I'll head over there to see what you have put in that thread, if anything. ;D
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