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Post by raenstorm on Oct 8, 2003 20:03:56 GMT -5
and that about covers it....see you later! Hey... is the WB sponsoring DIDO or what? Her song is on Smallville. Hmm, wonder if her contract is with Universal Records. (Random musings while I wait for Angel.)
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Oct 8, 2003 20:07:01 GMT -5
Tonight I was at a Community Center taking a Civil Service test after applying to be a police dispatcher in Sharonville, one of the small towns on the periphery of Cincinnati. While waiting for the tests to be passed out, I was looking around, and a lady at the next table was holding and reading...my second book, Circle, Crescent, Star!!!! (published in paper about 1972)
I went over and said to her delightedly, "That's my book!" She didn't at all misunderstand, and said she'd tried to find me because she'd heard there were more in the series. The three published in the US, she's read and reread until they're nearly falling apart and she keeps them in plastic jackets to protect them. A fan!!! I got her e-mail address and I'm gonna send her book 5, Sun of Return, as I did Anne D., who'd also read the first 3. I'm still piddling along re-keyboarding book 4, Tidestorm Limit, and when I'm done I'll send both this lady and Anne that too. And neat-o, this lady's e-mail address begins with WhereMyWhimsyTakesMe, which is the motto of the Wimseys, as in Lord Peter (Dorothy Sayers' fictional detective)! I wonder if she likes Spike....
I'll ask her.
Is that a good omen, or what?? [/color]
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Oct 8, 2003 20:09:44 GMT -5
Darn it all to heck! I completely forgot about the E! Special. *runs off to see if she can catch some of it* I taped it, Rae, since I was out while it was on. If you want, I'll mail you the tape.
Later: I see you have another offer, and per Betsy, it may be available for download. So I'll offer mine to Mary, instead.[/color]
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Oct 8, 2003 20:11:21 GMT -5
E! Special? What E! Special? I never know anything that's going on... and it's my own damn fault. Mary, pouting Mary, as I told Rae, I have the tape. If it doesn't prove available for download (Betsy thinks it will), and since Rae has another source for the tape, I'll mail you mine, if you want. [/color]
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Post by karalee on Oct 8, 2003 20:44:01 GMT -5
I'm going to answer a couple of things before the new episode onslaught starts. Nicki- This is where I feel like I'm being played by the writers. They found something with Angel and Buffy and I felt like they ran into the ground with as much angst as humanly possible. It has just annoyed me since S3-Buffy. I only liked the supporting characters during that season. Buffy and Angel were like that couple in high school that were always crying over each other at the lockers and you just wanted to smack 'em. I didn't get it at all. With that said, I realize I've been blaming the character instead of the writers for this. Betsy asked me why In The Dark irritated me. It wasn't the episode, but the reason Angel gave for smashing the Gem. If the reason he had stated was because it would cause every demon in the world to come after him for it, I would have understood. What he said was that he was afraid he would forget the people in the night who needed help. What I have noticed watching the reruns is that he is out during the day in a majority of the episodes. What is the difference? If nothing else it would have helped in getting around in the day to protect these people. I loved watching the live set tour tonight. Hey David! Take some downers, dude They all seemed to be having a good time and man, J. August Richards is tall! Enjoy watching the show tonight. I've already seen it so I'll be back to discuss with everyone else later.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 8, 2003 21:09:17 GMT -5
Hey... is the WB sponsoring DIDO or what? Her song is on Smallville. Hmm, wonder if her contract is with Universal Records. (Random musings while I wait for Angel.) I noticed! I love that song... And....I LOVED Angel tonight! What a great episode....I"m all smiley...
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 8, 2003 21:10:27 GMT -5
Tonight I was at a Community Center taking a Civil Service test after applying to be a police dispatcher in Sharonville, one of the small towns on the periphery of Cincinnati. While waiting for the tests to be passed out, I was looking around, and a lady at the next table was holding and reading...my second book, Circle, Crescent, Star!!!! (published in paper about 1972)
I went over and said to her delightedly, "That's my book!" She didn't at all misunderstand, and said she'd tried to find me because she'd heard there were more in the series. The three published in the US, she's read and reread until they're nearly falling apart and she keeps them in plastic jackets to protect them. A fan!!! I got her e-mail address and I'm gonna send her book 5, Sun of Return, as I did Anne D., who'd also read the first 3. I'm still piddling along re-keyboarding book 4, Tidestorm Limit, and when I'm done I'll send both this lady and Anne that too. And neat-o, this lady's e-mail address begins with WhereMyWhimsyTakesMe, which is the motto of the Wimseys, as in Lord Peter (Dorothy Sayers' fictional detective)! I wonder if she likes Spike....
I'll ask her.
Is that a good omen, or what?? [/color] [/quote] It's wonderful! *hug*
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Post by raenstorm on Oct 8, 2003 21:10:56 GMT -5
I noticed! I love that song... And....I LOVED Angel tonight! What a great episode....I"m all smiley... Haha... I enjoyed it too. Not sure I can say I LOVED it but that is probably because I'm all in "review" mode.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 8, 2003 21:16:12 GMT -5
This was a terrific episode tonight...so many questions answered - so much fun with Spike and Angel - I was completely taken in by the double double cross...and the ending was just brilliant...I can't wait for Spike to be 'corporealed' again - and I know it will happen...you just know they won't leave him a ghost for long. What a wonderful scene with Fred...echoes of the end of 'Sleeper'? Oh yeah...
I'm babbling I know, but I don't have to review it this week, and where are you people! I wanna talk about it!
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 8, 2003 21:18:32 GMT -5
Haha... I enjoyed it too. Not sure I can say I LOVED it but that is probably because I'm all in "review" mode. Yes, I know what you mean....are you going to go write it now or can we babble? I only wished Spike would take his hands out of his pockets and stop hugging himself, but that did seem right for his confused state of mind... And how fun that Angel didn't tell the others Spike has a soul! LOL! How perfect!
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Post by raenstorm on Oct 8, 2003 21:18:52 GMT -5
This was a terrific episode tonight...so many questions answered - so much fun with Spike and Angel - I was completely taken in by the double double cross...and the ending was just brilliant...I can't wait for Spike to be 'corporealed' again - and I know it will happen...you just know they won't leave him a ghost for long. What a wonderful scene with Fred...echoes of the end of 'Sleeper'? Oh yeah... I'm babbling I know, but I don't have to review it this week, and where are you people! I wanna talk about it! For the record... I'm not sure I really believe it was a double double cross. As for the rest, I'm keeping mum until I get some more of my thoughts worked out on paper.
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Post by Nickim on Oct 8, 2003 21:19:56 GMT -5
Some Random Musings,
The gang know that Spike has a soul and he saved the world, both a which Angel tried to hide. Wesley did know that Spike was helping Buffy, so he could have recognized Spike from pictures. Spike is "above room temperature". Aren't vamps just room temp? Is Spike getting warmer? Is there dissent among the Senior Partners or Another Player involved? The dollies line made me think of Dru--she would salivate to have life-sized dolls. Angel "has it too good"--Spike gets nothing as a reward for his sacrifice. The Senior Partners have "plans for Angel". They would be mad if he is killed. Was Spike part of the plan, or did Angel screw things up by giving the amulet to Buffy? Angel's "all for mercy" if it gets Spike out of his hair. Harmony still drives Spike nuts and she wants to hook up again. That was a wicked cool twisting flip by Angel coming off the table. JM's makeup looks like it did back in Season 2 of Buffy--much paler skin, lighter brows and no eyelashes.
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Post by raenstorm on Oct 8, 2003 21:31:26 GMT -5
Some Random Musings, The gang know that Spike has a soul and he saved the world, both a which Angel tried to hide. Wesley did know that Spike was helping Buffy, so he could have recognized Spike from pictures. Spike is "above room temperature". Aren't vamps just room temp? Is Spike getting warmer? Is there dissent among the Senior Partners or Another Player involved? The dollies line made me think of Dru--she would salivate to have life-sized dolls. Angel "has it too good"--Spike gets nothing as a reward for his sacrifice. The Senior Partners have "plans for Angel". They would be mad if he is killed. Was Spike part of the plan, or did Angel screw things up by giving the amulet to Buffy? Angel's "all for mercy" if it gets Spike out of his hair. Harmony still drives Spike nuts and she wants to hook up again. That was a wicked cool twisting flip by Angel coming off the table. JM's makeup looks like it did back in Season 2 of Buffy--much paler skin, lighter brows and no eyelashes. By the way, I guess now we know why the critics all knew it was 19 days later. And where was my girl tonight. Might have answered some more questions to see her take on Spike... she is our ear to the Senior Partners after all. (Yes, yes, I know... that is for another night.)
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Oct 8, 2003 21:39:23 GMT -5
I've been thinking about the Spike/Angel plan to fool Hainsley.
It's clearly set up with Hainsley when Spike does his musing on how wretched it is to be a ghost in Angel's bedroom. This is the first time Angel has seen him (apparently) since they were both at Hainsley's. So it couldn't have been set up before then, right?
So one has to assume that it's Spike/Hainsley against Angel at that point. And Spike expresses himself as willing to be sent on his way via the destruction of the amulet. So why would he have said that, or why WOULDN'T he have said, "Hey, here's this neat idea on how we can take Hainsley down" if the plan was already made (by Spike) or if they made the plan at that point? The only reason I can think of is that Angel has already told him every locale at W&H is bugged and Spike doesn't dare say anything about what he's planning lest it get leaked back to Hainlsey by somebody at W&H. And we've been shown nothing to establish that Spike knows about the widespred tracking, bugging, etc. So it's technically possible, but no groundwork for it had been laid.
By the time they're in the cemetary, there's no chance to plan, and Angel is under Hainsley's control and supervision after that, so it couldn't have been made then.
Angel says Spike decided how Hainsley could be trapped when he learned that Hainsley used his own body as a conduit for the "essence" transfer. So the only time, I think, that the plot could have been hatched is in conversation in the car on the way to the cemetary.
I have to assume that before that, Spike was planning to go through with the plot he'd made with Hainsley and just changed his mind when he saw a different opportunity.
Because I assume he's telling the truth in what he tells Fred--that there's a chasm and he's in the process of falling into it, and terrified. And has no way of controlling that himself. So he needs the resources of W&H OR a new body to have any chance of saving himself. And I think he'd much rather trust Fred & Angel than Hainsley.
Another thought has occurred to me in passing: Hainsley implies that Spike will have to do him some indefinite number of favors and only THEN will Spike be granted a body of his own, instead of Angel's. Spike can't wait, because of the chasm. So that means Spike was planning to doublecross Hainsley from that moment on.
So why the spiel in Angel's bedroom?
I've come full circle on this, I guess. Was Spike ever sincere in plotting against Angel and, if so, when did he change his mind? And if he intended all along to trap Hainsley, why did he apparently agree to Angel's "merciful" plan, in the talk in Angel's bedroom?
Anybody got any ideas?
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Post by RAKSHA on Oct 8, 2003 21:45:58 GMT -5
For the record... I'm not sure I really believe it was a double double cross. As for the rest, I'm keeping mum until I get some more of my thoughts worked out on paper. My thoughts on the episode:
1. I enjoyed it far more than I'd thought I would from the plot description.
2. Spike's confusion on returning as a ghost and not knowing where he was was well done and very poignant, especially since NO ONE demonstrated an ounce of compassion when he appeared, with the possible exception of Lorne.
3. Did y'all notice that one of the first things Spike said and indicated was an intense desire to get to Buffy? And that his memory of his last moments with her did NOT include the 'I love you/no you don't' dialogue about which we've been obsessing since May?
4. Great, I mean GREAT, snarky dialogue between Spike and Angel! They are really the undead buddy comedy team of the millenium!
5. Spike's presence and sharp insight emphasizes the vast gulf that now exists between Angel and the "helpless" people he has sworn to protect. Now that he's "the king", having made a "devil's bargain" to fight evil from the belly of the beast, will he still be able to relate to the common folk he wants to save from Evil? A good juicy conundrum that can be asked of anyone in a position of great power/influence?
6. Gunn is not only extremely hunky in suits, he is being VERY helpful and useful to Angel; as much as Wesley used to be.
7. Fred looks gorgeous; Gunn looks great, WHAT IS WITH Wesley's hair? Angel's face looks fat, but not his body in the shirtless scene; yes, JM has wrinkles when he frowns but is still slim and hunky.
8. Spike is able to speak honestly of his fears to Fred at the end of the episode, after knowing her for what - 24 hours? It took him four years to speak to Willow honestly for a couple of minutes, five years to speak to Buffy honestly (the "you treated me like a man" speech in THE GIFT), yet he goes to Fred and bares his worried soul to her. Attraction, or being mature enough to be able to reach out for help when he needs it?
9. Is anyone EVER going to say 'WELL DONE SPIKE' after he died to save the world?
10. Do you think the writers could try any harder to throw Harmony at Spike? Please, NO!!!![glow=green,2,300]GAIL [/glow]
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