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Post by LeeHollins on Oct 22, 2003 12:12:20 GMT -5
I just saw on Yahoo that Elliot Smith died of an apparent suicide. I love his music. Most people knew him from "Miss Misery", his Oscar-nominated song from Good Will Hunting. My friends and I listened to him all the time in college. His songs were often dark but so incredibly moving. Here's the link for the article if anyone is interested: story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031022/ap_on_en_mu/obit_elliott_smith_6
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Oct 22, 2003 12:13:08 GMT -5
The guy next to me on the bus this morning was talking on his cellphone really loud, and it was everything I could do not to grab it, smash it, and throw the pieces out the window, then follow up with an actual smack upside the head. But I didn't. I just turned my music up 'til my ears bled. Oh, yeah, I'm in my happy place today. Depending on what music you were listenning to, I wouldn't be surprised if you weren't being sarcastic. Any one of my BtVS soundtracks, for example, generally takes me to a happy place. Ravel's "Bolero" takes me there too, but for completely different reasons (if you have to ask, you never saw "10").
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Post by Karen on Oct 22, 2003 12:13:27 GMT -5
I suspect that Spike's positioning "over the Hell Dimension" is going to have little to do with what he deserves or doesn't deserve. I don't know why I think that - I just do. I agree - other forces at work and what not. And not spoiled, here - was, but no more - more fun that way, and a lot less I have to keep separate in my head.
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Post by LeeHollins on Oct 22, 2003 12:20:51 GMT -5
The guy next to me on the bus this morning was talking on his cellphone really loud, and it was everything I could do not to grab it, smash it, and throw the pieces out the window, then follow up with an actual smack upside the head. But I didn't. I just turned my music up 'til my ears bled. Oh, yeah, I'm in my happy place today. That is the one thing that is guaranteed to drive me to mass murder - people talking on their cellphones so that everyone and their mother can hear them. It drives me up the wall! I don't mind talking on a cellphone - I do it all the time - but I either do it in private or, if I am in public, I'm discreet about it. I have yelled at people before about it - yet again, one more reason to think I've got a screw loose in my head. Or, I'll get close to them and pretend to be on my cellphone and talk very loudly until they shoot me a dirty look and then smile sweetly and say, "You don't want to hear me and I don't want to hear you." Dadgum, I can be a bitch.
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Post by Queen E on Oct 22, 2003 12:21:32 GMT -5
I just saw on Yahoo that Elliot Smith died of an apparent suicide. I love his music. Most people knew him from "Miss Misery", his Oscar-nominated song from Good Will Hunting. My friends and I listened to him all the time in college. His songs were often dark but so incredibly moving. Here's the link for the article if anyone is interested: story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031022/ap_on_en_mu/obit_elliott_smith_6damn it. reminds me of a line from julian and maddalo, by percy bysshe shelley: "'Most wretched men/Are cradled into poetry by wrong;/They learn in suffering what they teach in song."
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 22, 2003 12:23:43 GMT -5
Depending on what music you were listenning to, I wouldn't be surprised if you weren't being sarcastic. Any one of my BtVS soundtracks, for example, generally takes me to a happy place. Ravel's "Bolero" takes me there too, but for completely different reasons (if you have to ask, you never saw "10"). Dave, I hope you are not on any public transportation when you go to that particular happy place. Cause that would just be wrong.
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Oct 22, 2003 12:27:44 GMT -5
Dave, I hope you are not on any public transportation when you go to that particular happy place. Cause that would just be wrong. you've obviously never ridden public transportation, because considering some of the folks that ride it, going to a happy place would mean I simply blend in ....
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Post by Vlad on Oct 22, 2003 12:38:55 GMT -5
damn it. reminds me of a line from julian and maddalo, by percy bysshe shelley: "'Most wretched men/Are cradled into poetry by wrong;/They learn in suffering what they teach in song." eg, that is a marvelous line! I simply love it!
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Post by Vlad on Oct 22, 2003 12:44:10 GMT -5
Damn, Vlad! Have you thought about writing a proposal on this for the buffy conference? LOL! No, hon. I am not that kind of writer. I jsut hack about....occasionally making an observation...usually one that can be refuted by as many resources as those I cited in favor of it. We do have some really talented writers and thinkers here, and I am proud to just be able to keep up with the discussions most of the time. Thanks for the appreciation , tho! Made me feel great! Vlad
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Post by Sue on Oct 22, 2003 12:47:30 GMT -5
That message that we get from BtVS and I suspect, here in AtS as well, that "it's all written" and "it's all under your control" is really the same message we get from real life. I mean - you control everything and you control absolutely nothing; you're the center of your universe and you're an insignificant, infintesimally small speck in a boundless universe; you create your environment and your environment creates you; you choose your own path, yet the destinations all seem predetermined. It seems that it is true that we are Masters of our Fate (Captains of our Soul) AND that any power we believe ourselves to possess is entirely illusional. Don't ask me how this should be, I can only tell you that this seems to me to be so: I am completely responsible for where I stand today, AND I was carried powerlessly along by the irresistable forces of fate. The more life proves to me I have no control - the more surprises, the more unexpected joys and tragedies - the more in control, the more confident and self-possessed I feel. The more control I give up, the more I have. This is very "zen". But I'm in agreement, not mocking. Christians try to say this same thing when we claim God gives us free-will (and therefore we are responsible for our choices) and yet at the same time, we are only capable of turning away from sin and toward Him by His prevenient (it's a Calvin word) grace. It's a paradox. At least from our limited perspective--doesn't mean it can't be true. Absolutely NOT trying to start a religious discussion here, just taking Spring's comments and recasting them in another mileu.
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Post by Vlad on Oct 22, 2003 12:47:58 GMT -5
My new master scubie name . . . thanks for pleading my case Vlad to William the Bloody. If I can ever return the favor, just let me know what I can do. ;D Mwahhhahahaaa... yes, my dear.. you now owe me...and some day, you can fully expect to be asked to repay. *eyes twinkling* Vlad
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Post by Nan-S'cubie Mascot on Oct 22, 2003 12:48:21 GMT -5
The guy next to me on the bus this morning was talking on his cellphone really loud, and it was everything I could do not to grab it, smash it, and throw the pieces out the window, then follow up with an actual smack upside the head. But I didn't. I just turned my music up 'til my ears bled. Oh, yeah, I'm in my happy place today. With this in mind, I can't imagine why you enjoy Spike as you do.... ;D[/color]
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Post by Sandy - lparish on Oct 22, 2003 12:49:18 GMT -5
I suspect that Spike's positioning "over the Hell Dimension" is going to have little to do with what he deserves or doesn't deserve. I don't know why I think that - I just do. This is what I mean. Several theories have been put forth to explain the fading, all good ones. I do think the PTB are involved or have gotten involved, only because Fred keeps saying stuff to that effect. Well... in ep 2, in the lab, she said something about having been brought back to do good, I can't remember. Actually as I think about this, Spike's being a ghost has helped for the forces of good. Ep 2 - the necromancer, Ep 3, finding the info in the trash can. Although it has been said ep 3 was an accident, maybe not. Gotta go, class coming in.
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Oct 22, 2003 12:49:29 GMT -5
Mwahhhahahaaa... yes, my dear.. you now owe me...and some day, you can fully expect to be asked to repay. *eyes twinkling* Vlad Lining up your snacks for tonight's Angelic viewing, I see.
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Post by makd on Oct 22, 2003 12:51:28 GMT -5
Here's something that I think we've discussed but is still always fun to munch on .... How come sometimes it seems to only take a few hours for a vampire to die and then be reborn, whereas other times it's obviously days that have passed since the vampire is burried and has to claw their way out of the grave? Buffy has intercepted vampires at the funeral home as well as the cemetary -- I wonder how she seems to know when a vamp will rise (on the occassion when she seems to be waiting for a particular vamp to rise rather than just a random patrol) since the length does seem to be somewhat random. Also, how is it a vampire isn't affected by the embalming process? On Angel, we meet a vampire who is immortal for a time because he had his heart removed (after a few days of immortality, he dusts because of the lack of a heart). Doesn't the embalming process generally include the removal of internal organs, such as the heart? well, as Thomas Kuhn would say - you have found the hole in the theory! Because of the embalming process, we should have VERY FEW vamps today, but, indeed, as has been said already, SunnyD was abloom with them! And Spike is a piss-poor Master Vamp! He not only attacks his own kind, how many vamps bring over? Ford? He was dusted. All those fledges in Season 7? dusted. So, who WAS the vamp siring all those vamps Buffy dusted? hmmm.. I think I will apply some cognitive processes here, and just not ask anymore..... But your question is so Good.....
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