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Post by Betsy on Oct 29, 2003 23:06:38 GMT -5
Think so? Hmmm. Maybe so. I guess I've been doing a lot of Spikespotting lately and, considering I've always preferred wiry guys anyway, Angel still looks too big by comparison. For my purposes, he'd still be too big, even if he went back to his Buffy S1 skinniness. I like guys closer my height and size. Shanno When I look back to Season 1 and even Season 2 Angel, way to skinny, especially for his height. He's at least 6'. I like my men tall and beefy. DB is just perfect to me. |
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Post by makd on Oct 29, 2003 23:08:56 GMT -5
Since he's from Philly, I believe I remember him saying on one of the late night shows that's he's a fan of the Flyers. whoa, dudette....He's not a BUFFALO fan? Bummer. After four years in Buffalo, I learned - early on - Buffalo teams all the way, live to see another day. |
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Post by makd on Oct 29, 2003 23:10:07 GMT -5
When I look back to Season 1 and even Season 2 Angel, way to skinny, especially for his height. He's at least 6'. I like my men tall and beefy. DB is just perfect to me. And this is what makes Angel the perfect show for gals! All sizes, all types, all colors (even green). Damn, that Amy Acker is a lucky gal. wiry, but lucky.  |
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Post by Laura on Oct 29, 2003 23:11:02 GMT -5
*Yawn* Well, S'cubies, I was up way too late last night reading parts 51-55. I'm calling it an early night.
See you all tomorrow!
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Post by Shan on Oct 29, 2003 23:13:01 GMT -5
And this is what makes Angel the perfect show for gals! All sizes, all types, all colors (even green). Damn, that Amy Acker is a lucky gal. wiry, but lucky. Was just a little more perfect before Cordy left (and before she was "evil"). I like women more...substantial. Shanno |
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Post by RAKSHA on Oct 29, 2003 23:31:41 GMT -5
And this is what makes Angel the perfect show for gals! All sizes, all types, all colors (even green). Damn, that Amy Acker is a lucky gal. wiry, but lucky.
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Post by RAKSHA on Oct 29, 2003 23:38:26 GMT -5
My Honey actually watched the beginning of this ep with me (I never get that). "That big guy there with the goo on him...Hasn't he put on a whole bunch of weight?"
DB was a beautiful specimen back during BUFFY seasons 1-3; his eyes looked so soulful when his face was thinner. Now he's still cute, but not as perfect. Neither is JM, but considering he's several years older than DB, he's aging very well. (I'd take him in a heartbeat if it wouldn't cause Patti to invade my home with an axe - that would be hell on the upholstery)...
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Post by KMInfinity on Oct 29, 2003 23:38:44 GMT -5
Before commenting, major caveat : I started watching Buffy after Angel left (Season4) so I've always been a Spike fan rather than an Angel fan. I'm one of those fans the series is hoping will cross over to Angel now that Buffy's gone and Spike is on Angel. I've since purchased Buffy Seasons 1-2-3, but only seen Season1 of Angel. So far... ~I am missing Cordelia. ~I don't like "smart-guy" Gunn. I assume there was gradual development of the character to this point, but the contrast from early Gunn to present Gunn really makes me blink. ~The Eve character sucks.....bigtime. ~I think Wesley is being underused. ~I definitely don't like the action all centering (nearly all, anyways) on "running" Wolfram & Hart. Sure, I understand JW wants to add a bit of internal conflict for the characters by having the temptation before them to be seduced by W&H but that shouldn't be the primary struggle, IMO; specifically for this episode, I thought the rationale for why the Fang Gang needed to have a successful party was weak. JW needs to tighten up the plot mechanics justifying the reason it's a "good thing" to take over W&H from within by making it clear that it's the best way to "help the hopeless" and save the souls one soul at a time... I really appreciated that perspective from Season 1. Maybe there was stuff in the intervening seasons that make the case, but I get the impression that's not so. ~I know this is WAY old stuff for y'all, but I'm still in the throes of missing Doyle, let alone Cordy.  |
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Post by makd on Oct 29, 2003 23:39:09 GMT -5
Oh, yes; ANGEL is a lovely hunkfest. I like my men lean and wiry; but Angel is not without attraction. Gunn looked particularly sharp tonight.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 29, 2003 23:41:42 GMT -5
Patti, it's in there twice. The first one is fine, but I only see a quote button on the second post. If you can delete that second post, go ahead. Thanks. Well, I deleted the second one, but HWSNBN (guys, you gotta stop NAMING him! names have power!) ate both of them. Fortunately, I outsmarted him! HAH! I copied the post.....and here it is... Nicki said.... I guess is really isn't easy being green. Tonight we learned not to make Lorne mad, 'cause we won't like him when he's mad or exhausted. On the surface this episode was set up to be funny, but underneath it was more serious. Scary to hear Gunn act all excited about having your sleep removed, "That's great." What other scary things can W&H do to people? Glad to hear Angel say they've been ignoring the "dangers within" and "this place is trying to change us." Naked DB. He looks pretty good. I loved the exchange between Angel & Eve when they're kissing. "Do you even have a last name?" "Do you?" Eve didn't seem too happy when Angel said they needed to talk, her smile disappeared as soon as she turned away. It was obvious she wanted him even before being under the mystical influence. Felt bad for Wesley. So obvious he wants to be "extra special friends" with Fred. Her asking him about Knox was like a punch in the stomach. When Lorne was talking to Angel about how important the party was for him since he doesn't have superhuman strength made me think of Xander. He's always there to help, but doesn't feel appreciated, since he doesn't have superpowers. |
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 29, 2003 23:55:05 GMT -5
ROTFL!!!
DB was a beautiful specimen back during BUFFY seasons 1-3; his eyes looked so soulful when his face was thinner. Now he's still cute, but not as perfect. Neither is JM, but considering he's several years older than DB, he's aging very well. (I'd take him in a heartbeat if it wouldn't cause Patti to invade my home with an axe - that would be hell on the upholstery)...
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Post by Rob on Oct 30, 2003 0:04:51 GMT -5
Eve is a little hottie. Clearly a hottie with bad intentions...but a hottie nonetheless.
She also represents the Fighting Banana Slugs of UC Santa Cruz...which is my absolute favorite team nickname in organized sports.
So many reasons to love Eve...by the way, if she's annoying you, the actor is doing her job. Clearly Eve is SUPPOSED to be disliked. Especially after dissing Angel once she shagged the heck out of him. If Buffy returns I'd love to see them have a catty little talk.
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Post by RAKSHA on Oct 30, 2003 0:07:04 GMT -5
Before commenting, major caveat : I started watching Buffy after Angel left (Season4) so I've always been a Spike fan rather than an Angel fan. I'm one of those fans the series is hoping will cross over to Angel now that Buffy's gone and Spike is on Angel. I've since purchased Buffy Seasons 1-2-3, but only seen Season1 of Angel. So far... ~I am missing Cordelia. ~I don't like "smart-guy" Gunn. I assume there was gradual development of the character to this point, but the contrast from early Gunn to present Gunn really makes me blink. ~The Eve character sucks.....bigtime. ~I think Wesley is being underused. ~I definitely don't like the action all centering (nearly all, anyways) on "running" Wolfram & Hart. Sure, I understand JW wants to add a bit of internal conflict for the characters by having the temptation before them to be seduced by W&H but that shouldn't be the primary struggle, IMO; specifically for this episode, I thought the rationale for why the Fang Gang needed to have a successful party was weak. JW needs to tighten up the plot mechanics justifying the reason it's a "good thing" to take over W&H from within by making it clear that it's the best way to "help the hopeless" and save the souls one soul at a time... I really appreciated that perspective from Season 1. Maybe there was stuff in the intervening seasons that make the case, but I get the impression that's not so. ~I know this is WAY old stuff for y'all, but I'm still in the throes of missing Doyle, let alone Cordy.
I can't see how the episodes WON'T be centered around W&H; since Angel & the Fang Gang are in charge and overwhelmed by the size and complexity of the operation, not to mention being tempted, and in Gunn's case seduced to a certain extent by all the perks.
"Smart Guy" Gunn gave up a good chunk of his integrity for that super-fast knowledge upgrade, though I don't think he realizes it yet. I can definitely see him rising to rival Angel in the W&H hierarchy, that is, if the Senior Partners allow it.
I don't think JW tried to present a rationale that WE would believe for the FG taking over and being taking over by W&H, only one that would explain why the characters did so. Helping the helpless from within the belly of the beast was never Angel's reason for accepting W&H's offer, but he did and is trying to make the best of that decision. Gunn was seduced almost immediately. Fred and Wesley and Lorne's decision to join W&H seemed a bit more superficial, more like they were tired from the last apocalaypse they averted and were charmed by the perks and wanted to go along with Angel...[glow=red,2,300]GAIL [/glow] |
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Post by Sue on Oct 30, 2003 0:08:08 GMT -5
Before commenting, major caveat : I started watching Buffy after Angel left (Season4) You'll find several of us here who got hooked via FX, and during the Spike years. (Season 5, Intervention, for me). I am very with you there. Don't like the character or the actress (can you say Kennedy?) And, I keep hoping that will change. Maybe AD was involved in wedding planning. There are a good number of us who were only Buffy-ites and are just getting into Angel (hooray for TNT!) Rob is missing Xander and can probably relate to your pain. And--my own comment-- I wonder if this will be "the" Lorne ep like Selfless was the Anya episode last year and then she fell off the face of the planet. |
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Post by makd on Oct 30, 2003 0:14:18 GMT -5
~I think Wesley is being underused. ~I definitely don't like the action all centering (nearly all, anyways) on "running" Wolfram & Hart. Sure, I understand JW wants to add a bit of internal conflict for the characters by having the temptation before them to be seduced by W&H but that shouldn't be the primary struggle, IMO; specifically for this episode, I thought the rationale for why the Fang Gang needed to have a successful party was weak. JW needs to tighten up the plot mechanics justifying the reason it's a "good thing" to take over W&H from within by making it clear that it's the best way to "help the hopeless" and save the souls one soul at a time... I really appreciated that perspective from Season 1. Maybe there was stuff in the intervening seasons that make the case, but I get the impression that's not so. KMInfinity: Patience with me on this; it's long. This isn't old stuff to _me_! I've said quite often that I've just started watching Angel. Just couldn't get into it before. Whenever I surfed there was either some outer space/demony thing I couldn't get into, or last fall, there was that byzantine 22 episode mini-series that totally turned me off and I tuned out. whatever. However, with the demise of BtVS, and Spike's moving to Angel, I'm becoming a loyal watcher. As of tonight, I've seen a total of 15 episodes. So, you are hearing from an Angel newbie, and a "fresh" perspective on the show. I don't miss Cordelia. I know, I know: the Cordelia I saw in the last 4-6 episodes that I saw last season wasn't the real Cordelia. As I watched the show (starting in April, I think it was, when Wesley broke Faith out of prison), I saw this character who was NOTHING like the Cordy I loved on BtVS. She was unrecognizable. Clearly, I thought at the time, since I knew she was pregnant, she must have wanted to leave the show, since her character was being sandbagged. Well, the writers assassinated the character, and they aren't likely to bring her back for more than 1-2 episodes for closure. THAT Cordelia I don't miss. The Cordelia having sex with Connor? No thank you! the Cordelia who's evil? No, thank you. Cordelia who asked the beast for some sugar? No thank you. Of course, I have seen a few episodes from season one (thanks to TNT and our local UPN station). THAT Cordelia was sharp, straight as an arrow, and can be seen to be growing into adulthood and caringness for others. Is that the Cordy you miss? Was THAT Cordelia the character that existed for seasons 1-3? She was a winner! If so, then the writers should be tried and hanged. They really did a sandbag. No coming back from it, either. And Wes? Underused is an interesting word. He's not the man he used to be. I posted a bit on this earlier tonight. In the last 4-6 shows of Season 4, I saw a strong, sexy, confident, great man. Now, I see someone who's one or two steps up in confidence from the Wesley on Season 1 Angel. I think he's been mindswiped, the deed done when Connor was "dawned". Wesley's gonna have to spend some time getting his balls back. Be nice when it happens. He was one sexy dude in those scenes with Faith. He was strong. Now, he's lacking in confidence, and losing his place as second to Gunn. Interesting dynamics. Necessary,though. In the big, bad, corporate world, the lawyers are always more important than the watchers and the scholars. Joss Wheedon performed major surgery and has revived the dying show. Switching from a mini-series arc to the MOW seems to be saving the series. Lightening the look seems to be saving the series. Adding Spike and Harmony seem to be helping the series. The jury is still out on Eve. As for the corporate paradigm, well, that's what life is like after college. You enter corporate life/the bureaucracy, and begin to fight the fight for good. The key elements in fighting the machine are quite political and philosophical, and corporate life has coopted, destroyed, and beaten many a fine young and eager grad. The battles are not fought in the cemetary or in the suburbs or the apartment house. They are fought, tooth and nail, in the board room, in the office, in the cube farm. And the workers take the battles home with them. So, it's pretty natural to take a bunch of late 20s-early to mid 30s characters and put them into a corporate setting and watch them interact and do their damndest to keep their ideals, do the right thing, and not become corrupted. It's where the action is. They're not in high school anymore; they aren't playing things out in a converted hotel. They are in the big water. But can they swim? Me? I'm liking the show more each week; I'm liking the big guy more each week, even if he is dull as a table lamp; I'm liking the characters more, too. I'm also seeing a new Spike. What the hell? He changed every season on Buffy, so why not change here too? And Angel does need someone who remembers him from beyond, someone who is more willing than the adoring fang gang to put him in his place, to stir and shake the pot. Can't be Cordy. She's not only coma-ed, she's just about dead. Good thing he has Spike, who's memory is longer than Cordelia's, and Harmony, whom he clearly is extending his protection to. (She's close enough to him now to call him "Bossy". Sorry. I didn't mean to go there. Almost lost my train of thought.) Joss Wheedon is not disappointing me. He's giving me an hour each week that's clearly worth my time. So...some things we are in agreement about; some things not. Either way, I thank you for sharing your thoughts about the show, (we all do!)and I hope you feel the same way about my comments. |
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