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Post by karalee on Oct 30, 2003 0:14:40 GMT -5
You'll find several of us here who got hooked via FX, and during the Spike years. (Season 5, Intervention, for me). I am very with you there. Don't like the character or the actress (can you say Kennedy?) And, I keep hoping that will change. Maybe AD was involved in wedding planning. There are a good number of us who were only Buffy-ites and are just getting into Angel (hooray for TNT!) Rob is missing Xander and can probably relate to your pain. And--my own comment-- I wonder if this will be "the" Lorne ep like Selfless was the Anya episode last year and then she fell off the face of the planet. Well, she was there to throw in the odd penis and sex joke So, Gunn pissed on something? Angel and Eve boinked? Was it a spell? Please, someone tell me something, i'm dyin' here.
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Post by makd on Oct 30, 2003 0:23:57 GMT -5
Well, she was there to throw in the odd penis and sex joke So, Gunn pissed on something? Angel and Eve boinked? Was it a spell? Please, someone tell me something, i'm dyin' here. My eyes! My eyes! Can I be blind, too? Funny thing is, I didn't mind the boinking stuff, but the pissing? Now that was downright funny.
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Post by Karen on Oct 30, 2003 0:33:20 GMT -5
Overall, a fun episode. DB is one hunky dude. Lorne had some choice scenes, and I think he'll be around for more. Me want more Spike. And Harmony dancing around like a slutty ballerina. eek. She did look good, tho. Lots of ewwww moments. Angel and Eve. Ah, what can I say, gotta love to hate her. That evil look she gave when she left the room at the end creeped me out. That demon decanter with the blue blood was ooky. When he smelled the decorations and said "pee pee" and then "icky" when he saw Toad all smashed on the crapper, it just cracked me up. Loved the Duke. Gunn and Angel had the same orange shirts on. Gunn emulating his boss. Gunn told Angel once that they could never be friends. 'Someone' wants to be the big dog (or cat). Even if Lorne told him to mark his territory, why would he pick that way to do it. Next thing you know he'll be making a play for Eve. I also don't like what the mindwipe did to Wesley. But it is interesting that when he was drunk he acted even more like the first season Wesley. Maybe the hardened Wesley we saw last year is not the real Wesley. Fred and Knox are a cute couple. They 'deserve' each other. When he said "I fixed our baby", I thought - oh boy, here we go. Does there always have to be a baby every season of Angel? I think Joss has "babies" on the brain. Funny - Gunn telling Spike to stop with the "warm fuzzies". Hey, Gunn talks like me! One thing - I was disappointed that Angel didn't do any dancing, other than with Eve. Mmmmmmmmmmmm, Angel. mmmmmmmmmmore Spike!
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Post by makd on Oct 30, 2003 0:35:08 GMT -5
Eve is a little hottie. Clearly a hottie with bad intentions...but a hottie nonetheless. She also represents the Fighting Banana Slugs of UC Santa Cruz...which is my absolute favorite team nickname in organized sports. So many reasons to love Eve...by the way, if she's annoying you, the actor is doing her job. Clearly Eve is SUPPOSED to be disliked. Especially after dissing Angel once she shagged the heck out of him. If Buffy returns I'd love to see them have a catty little talk. Thank you, Rob! okay, this is why we need and love the guy S'cubies. For most of the women here, Eve is the whistle only dogs can hear. IOW, we (most of the gals) don't see the sexiness in her. Clearly, there's something we are missing. Reminds me of Julia Ormond. Several years ago, she was THE hot young starlet. Most of the guys in our circle were all gaga about her. "She's so hottt!" My husband just loved her. the wives/POSSLQs/girl friends in the circle? We all said: She's the whistle only dogs can hear. (It wasn't until I saw her in Smilla's Sense of Snow that I got what the guys were talking about.) "Fighting Banana Slugs" Ahem. Please explain. This is clearly out of my dimension. There are slugs that attack bananas and they fight? and they fight, whom? other banana slugs? I am so lost here. Is it the hour? did I miss some lines of dialogue? What else was at the party that I missed. I only turned my head for 1 minute to kiss my husband. (Yes. It was ONE minute. We've been married 33 years, by now we've learned the art of the quick kiss.) About Eve shagging Angel: I think it was mutual, and I am so happy he's gotten some sweet release. He needed it. Especially after that shower. There's nothing like a hands-on guy.
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Post by Rob on Oct 30, 2003 1:12:53 GMT -5
Thank you, Rob! okay, this is why we need and love the guy S'cubies. For most of the women here, Eve is the whistle only dogs can hear. IOW, we (most of the gals) don't see the sexiness in her. Clearly, there's something we are missing. Reminds me of Julia Ormond. Several years ago, she was THE hot young starlet. Most of the guys in our circle were all gaga about her. "She's so hottt!" My husband just loved her. the wives/POSSLQs/girl friends in the circle? We all said: She's the whistle only dogs can hear. (It wasn't until I saw her in Smilla's Sense of Snow that I got what the guys were talking about.) "Fighting Banana Slugs" Ahem. Please explain. This is clearly out of my dimension. There are slugs that attack bananas and they fight? and they fight, whom? other banana slugs? I am so lost here. Is it the hour? did I miss some lines of dialogue? What else was at the party that I missed. I only turned my head for 1 minute to kiss my husband. (Yes. It was ONE minute. We've been married 33 years, by now we've learned the art of the quick kiss.) About Eve shagging Angel: I think it was mutual, and I am so happy he's gotten some sweet release. He needed it. Especially after that shower. There's nothing like a hands-on guy. Eve mentions at the end of the episode that she attended UC Santa Cruz. I happen to know that their sports teams call themselves the Banana Slugs. I swear I am not making that up. I added the Fighting part...but it's pretty common to have a college team add that word. Here in Florida, for example, some really stupid Gator fans (detest the damn Gators) occasionally add it. The Fightin' Gators. Notre Dame calls themselves the Fighting Irish. All the great nickname choices like Spartans, Trojans, Bruins, Huskies, Wildcats, Wolverines...project a fighting spirit and inspire fear in their opponents (theoretically). There are a bunch of very good college teams who have silly nicknames that wouldn't even intimidate Andrew...but none are quite as ridiculous as Banana Slugs. Well....ok, Buckeyes is pretty lame, but not as funny. *sticks tongue out at Spring* As for Eve...I think my attraction comes from her bratty little girl looks and smug attitude. Frankly, I find the combination sexy, though not necessarily the type I'd want to date. She's not relationship material. I'd just like to wipe that smirk off her face...IF you know what I mean. That last paragraph made me look like quite the Neanderthal, didn't it? Some of these S'cubies are a bad influence on me.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 30, 2003 1:18:37 GMT -5
Has to be: "I went to UC Santa Cruz."
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Post by Rachael on Oct 30, 2003 1:28:52 GMT -5
Eve mentions at the end of the episode that she attended UC Santa Cruz. I happen to know that their sports teams call themselves the Banana Slugs. I swear I am not making that up. I added the Fighting part...but it's pretty common to have a college team add that word. Here in Florida, for example, some really stupid Gator fans (detest the damn Gators) occasionally add it. The Fightin' Gators. Notre Dame calls themselves the Fighting Irish. All the great nickname choices like Spartans, Trojans, Bruins, Huskies, Wildcats, Wolverines...project a fighting spirit and inspire fear in their opponents (theoretically). There are a bunch of very good college teams who have silly nicknames that wouldn't even intimidate Andrew...but none are quite as ridiculous as Banana Slugs. Well....ok, Buckeyes is pretty lame, but not as funny. *sticks tongue out at Spring* As for Eve...I think my attraction comes from her bratty little girl looks and smug attitude. Frankly, I find the combination sexy, though not necessarily the type I'd want to date. She's not relationship material. I'd just like to wipe that smirk off her face...IF you know what I mean. That last paragraph made me look like quite the Neanderthal, didn't it? Some of these S'cubies are a bad influence on me. Hey, the UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs are the best mascot ever. And not entirely out of the blue; if you go walk around Santa Cruz for an afternoon, you'll see a few big (like 5-6 inches), yellow slugs. UCSC is, well, the most laid back of the UCs. Hence the banana slugs. What do you expect when your campus is in the forest on top of a hill next to the ocean, deer wander freely, bicycles are community property, and one of the requirements for graduation is to drop acid in Fern Canyon? (Okay, not an actual requirement. Just highly encouraged.)
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 30, 2003 1:29:21 GMT -5
KMInfinity: Patience with me on this; it's long. This isn't old stuff to _me_! I've said quite often that I've just started watching Angel. Just couldn't get into it before. Whenever I surfed there was either some outer space/demony thing I couldn't get into, or last fall, there was that byzantine 22 episode mini-series that totally turned me off and I tuned out. whatever. However, with the demise of BtVS, and Spike's moving to Angel, I'm becoming a loyal watcher. As of tonight, I've seen a total of 15 episodes. So, you are hearing from an Angel newbie, and a "fresh" perspective on the show. I don't miss Cordelia. I know, I know: the Cordelia I saw in the last 4-6 episodes that I saw last season wasn't the real Cordelia. As I watched the show (starting in April, I think it was, when Wesley broke Faith out of prison), I saw this character who was NOTHING like the Cordy I loved on BtVS. She was unrecognizable. Clearly, I thought at the time, since I knew she was pregnant, she must have wanted to leave the show, since her character was being sandbagged. Well, the writers assassinated the character, and they aren't likely to bring her back for more than 1-2 episodes for closure. THAT Cordelia I don't miss. The Cordelia having sex with Connor? No thank you! the Cordelia who's evil? No, thank you. Cordelia who asked the beast for some sugar? No thank you. Of course, I have seen a few episodes from season one (thanks to TNT and our local UPN station). THAT Cordelia was sharp, straight as an arrow, and can be seen to be growing into adulthood and caringness for others. Is that the Cordy you miss? Was THAT Cordelia the character that existed for seasons 1-3? She was a winner! If so, then the writers should be tried and hanged. They really did a sandbag. No coming back from it, either. And Wes? Underused is an interesting word. He's not the man he used to be. I posted a bit on this earlier tonight. In the last 4-6 shows of Season 4, I saw a strong, sexy, confident, great man. Now, I see someone who's one or two steps up in confidence from the Wesley on Season 1 Angel. I think he's been mindswiped, the deed done when Connor was "dawned". Wesley's gonna have to spend some time getting his balls back. Be nice when it happens. He was one sexy dude in those scenes with Faith. He was strong. Now, he's lacking in confidence, and losing his place as second to Gunn. Interesting dynamics. Necessary,though. In the big, bad, corporate world, the lawyers are always more important than the watchers and the scholars. Joss Wheedon performed major surgery and has revived the dying show. Switching from a mini-series arc to the MOW seems to be saving the series. Lightening the look seems to be saving the series. Adding Spike and Harmony seem to be helping the series. The jury is still out on Eve. As for the corporate paradigm, well, that's what life is like after college. You enter corporate life/the bureaucracy, and begin to fight the fight for good. The key elements in fighting the machine are quite political and philosophical, and corporate life has coopted, destroyed, and beaten many a fine young and eager grad. The battles are not fought in the cemetary or in the suburbs or the apartment house. They are fought, tooth and nail, in the board room, in the office, in the cube farm. And the workers take the battles home with them. So, it's pretty natural to take a bunch of late 20s-early to mid 30s characters and put them into a corporate setting and watch them interact and do their damndest to keep their ideals, do the right thing, and not become corrupted. It's where the action is. They're not in high school anymore; they aren't playing things out in a converted hotel. They are in the big water. But can they swim? Me? I'm liking the show more each week; I'm liking the big guy more each week, even if he is dull as a table lamp; I'm liking the characters more, too. I'm also seeing a new Spike. What the hell? He changed every season on Buffy, so why not change here too? And Angel does need someone who remembers him from beyond, someone who is more willing than the adoring fang gang to put him in his place, to stir and shake the pot. Can't be Cordy. She's not only coma-ed, she's just about dead. Good thing he has Spike, who's memory is longer than Cordelia's, and Harmony, whom he clearly is extending his protection to. (She's close enough to him now to call him "Bossy". Sorry. I didn't mean to go there. Almost lost my train of thought.) Joss Wheedon is not disappointing me. He's giving me an hour each week that's clearly worth my time. So...some things we are in agreement about; some things not. Either way, I thank you for sharing your thoughts about the show, (we all do!)and I hope you feel the same way about my comments. I really enjoyed your comments Makd. I've been loving AtS the entire run of the show, and I'm liking it this season as well.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 30, 2003 1:36:23 GMT -5
Thank you, Rob! okay, this is why we need and love the guy S'cubies. For most of the women here, Eve is the whistle only dogs can hear. IOW, we (most of the gals) don't see the sexiness in her. Clearly, there's something we are missing. Reminds me of Julia Ormond. Several years ago, she was THE hot young starlet. Most of the guys in our circle were all gaga about her. "She's so hottt!" My husband just loved her. the wives/POSSLQs/girl friends in the circle? We all said: She's the whistle only dogs can hear. (It wasn't until I saw her in Smilla's Sense of Snow that I got what the guys were talking about.) "Fighting Banana Slugs" Ahem. Please explain. This is clearly out of my dimension. There are slugs that attack bananas and they fight? and they fight, whom? other banana slugs? I am so lost here. Is it the hour? did I miss some lines of dialogue? What else was at the party that I missed. I only turned my head for 1 minute to kiss my husband. (Yes. It was ONE minute. We've been married 33 years, by now we've learned the art of the quick kiss.) About Eve shagging Angel: I think it was mutual, and I am so happy he's gotten some sweet release. He needed it. Especially after that shower. There's nothing like a hands-on guy. I like Eve. She's kinda fun I think. For the record. Here's my question...in the preview for next week - those guys in the cemetery or wherever...looked to me like they were wearing the mask the mail cart guy wears. Did I just see it wrong? Anyone? Anyone?
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 30, 2003 1:40:04 GMT -5
Has to be: "I went to UC Santa Cruz." I guess....I didn't have a clue why that was supposed to be meaningful. If she'd said UC Sunnydale, that would have worked for me... But now I've seen Rachael's follow up post, so I get it.
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Post by time is now on Oct 30, 2003 1:53:13 GMT -5
leaving for beddy bye. Learned tonight, if I don't get a good night's sleep, I might turn into the Hulk!
makd
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Post by Rob on Oct 30, 2003 2:25:46 GMT -5
Hey, the UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs are the best mascot ever. And not entirely out of the blue; if you go walk around Santa Cruz for an afternoon, you'll see a few big (like 5-6 inches), yellow slugs. UCSC is, well, the most laid back of the UCs. Hence the banana slugs. What do you expect when your campus is in the forest on top of a hill next to the ocean, deer wander freely, bicycles are community property, and one of the requirements for graduation is to drop acid in Fern Canyon? (Okay, not an actual requirement. Just highly encouraged.) Oh, I know what a banana slug is. Question is, are you intimidated by them? Do they inspire fear? If they don't you probably don't have very good sports teams. The nickname is crucial. For example, Xander named our favorite group the Scooby Gang. It worked perfectly. What if he'd used some other cartoon? The Yogi Gang? I picture Indian mystics. The Smurf Gang? The Judge is the only scary blue guy I ever saw. The Captain Caveman Gang? The Hong Kong Phooey Gang? The Justice League (actually, this one isn't half bad)? The Buffy Bunch? Here's the story...of a girl named Buffy... Just a few examples of what could happen when one doesn't use proper inspiration when it comes to catchy nicknames. Going to bed now.
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Post by Betsy on Oct 30, 2003 2:25:47 GMT -5
Thank you, Rob! okay, this is why we need and love the guy S'cubies. For most of the women here, Eve is the whistle only dogs can hear. IOW, we (most of the gals) don't see the sexiness in her. Clearly, there's something we are missing. Reminds me of Julia Ormond. Several years ago, she was THE hot young starlet. Most of the guys in our circle were all gaga about her. "She's so hottt!" My husband just loved her. the wives/POSSLQs/girl friends in the circle? We all said: She's the whistle only dogs can hear. (It wasn't until I saw her in Smilla's Sense of Snow that I got what the guys were talking about.) "Fighting Banana Slugs" Ahem. Please explain. This is clearly out of my dimension. There are slugs that attack bananas and they fight? and they fight, whom? other banana slugs? I am so lost here. Is it the hour? did I miss some lines of dialogue? What else was at the party that I missed. I only turned my head for 1 minute to kiss my husband. (Yes. It was ONE minute. We've been married 33 years, by now we've learned the art of the quick kiss.) About Eve shagging Angel: I think it was mutual, and I am so happy he's gotten some sweet release. He needed it. Especially after that shower. There's nothing like a hands-on guy. When Angel and DB were talking at the party . . . Angel still seems a bit pissed at her from earlier and is clearly not to impressed with ther. Then Lorne comes up and says something about the sexual tension (I was like what the hell are you talking about Lorne, there's zippo), then next thing they are in his office swapping spit . . . since Lorne was directing the "destinies" it was all Lorne's doing. Sorry guys, no way if Angel was in his right mind he'd touch that think. But did you catch the look on her face as she was leaving . . . I do believe she was mightily pissed at Angel brushing the whole thing off, but I did love her line about going to school in Santa Cruz. Just glad Angel is back in his right mind now. I thought this episode was a hoot. I want to watch it again before I put more of my thoughts down.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 30, 2003 2:33:24 GMT -5
Oh, I know what a banana slug is. Question is, are you intimidated by them? Do they inspire fear? If they don't you probably don't have very good sports teams. The nickname is crucial. For example, Xander named our favorite group the Scooby Gang. It worked perfectly. What if he'd used some other cartoon? The Yogi Gang? I picture Indian mystics. The Smurf Gang? The Judge is the only scary blue guy I ever saw. The Captain Caveman Gang? The Hong Kong Phooey Gang? The Justice League (actually, this one isn't half bad)? The Buffy Bunch? Here's the story...of a girl named Buffy... Just a few examples of what could happen when one doesn't use proper inspiration when it comes to catchy nicknames. Going to bed now. goodnight Rob... Those are pretty cute. But now I'm going to sing that Buffy Bunch song in my sleep...
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Post by RAKSHA on Oct 30, 2003 3:04:06 GMT -5
I like Eve. She's kinda fun I think. For the record. Here's my question...in the preview for next week - those guys in the cemetery or wherever...looked to me like they were wearing the mask the mail cart guy wears. Did I just see it wrong? Anyone? Anyone? I don't think you saw it wrong. Stay tuned...
GAIL
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