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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 21:19:08 GMT -5
:Rusty said in post #23, "Better Spikeophilia than Spikeophobia. I hear that causes a nasty rash and a particularly focused form of Editorial Tourette's Syndrome."
I WISH Spikeophobia caused a nasty rash; we would all be immune. And where does the rash appear, hmmm? ...:
Spikeophilia doesn't cause a rash anywhere, but there is significant swelling in certain areas, breathing and pulse tend to race, thought processes grow confused and a slight fever is common.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 21:20:23 GMT -5
All the preceding are wonderful. Some of mine that weren't mentioned...(sorry if I don't always remember which episodes they're from).
Spike enters Buffy's yard, shotgun in hand and murder in mind. Finds her in tears over the news of her mother's brain tumor and sits down beside her offering whatever awkward comfort he can.
Spike waking from an erotic dream starring himself and Buffy to realize, to his horror, that he's in love with her.
Spike and Riley uncomfortably discussing the end of Riley's relationship with Buffy. Spike offers a swig from his booze and Riley accepts.
Same scene, Spike's imaginings to what it would be like to make love to Buffy. Kitten poker with Buffy's periodic gasps of disgust from Spike's booze.
Spike and Buffy "bringing down the house".
Spike and Xander in Spike's crypt and Spike's earlobe lifting as an invisible Buffy nibbles. Xander's admonition that Spike REALLY needs a girlfriend.
NON-SPIKE FAVORITE QUOTE:
"I am the bug-man, ku ku ka choo!"
Diane U
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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 21:23:02 GMT -5
My favorite is the end of Intervention. I just love when he thinks its the Buffybot and she kisses him. Because of the goofy order of episodes I started watching, this was one of the first that I saw. I think the look on his face is exactly where I fell in love with Spike.
The first scene with him in School Hard where he is being all tough, bragging about killing slayers and then Dru comes in and he becomes tender with her shows such range and emotion, another favorite.
I also love the scene at the door of his crypt in Dead Things. For some reason this is one of my favorite episodes. Even though Buffy is so brutal towards him, it shows how much he loves her and wants to protect her.
Maggie M
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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 21:24:40 GMT -5
I love nearly all the above everyone's listed; here are a few more:
* Where Spike shows The Troika what a REAL "Big Bad" is by simply intimidating the hell out them when he goes to have Warren look at his chip in "Smashed". They were already scared even BEFORE he grabbed the Boba Fett figurine! Of course the end of this ep is my FAVORITE Spike scene of all time. ;-)
* When Spike stands up out of the wheelchair after Angelus & Dru leave to go feed (and after enduring more of Angelus's tauntings) at the end of "I Only Have Eyes for You". (S2)
Miss Pamela
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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 21:25:32 GMT -5
Maybe you fellow Spikeaholics and distinguished VHISN colleagues can help me with this one:
In some homemade music videos I've seen here on the 'Net, there's a fight scene between Buffy & Spike that seems to take place in his crypt. At one point he's standing flush behind her and she deals him an amazingly agile kick to the face, with her leg coming nearly straight up! Then later, as he's sitting against the wall with his legs outstretched, she's punching his face while standing on his thighs (I THINK). Suddenly, he swings his arms out between her lower legs, knocking her down into a straddling position on his lap (I THINK).
If you have ANY clue what episode this might be from, please let me know. If you want to see an example of this clip, let me know and I'll tell you what music video I saw this and where you can watch or download it for yourself.
Thanks!
Miss Pamela
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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 21:26:49 GMT -5
Wow. I hope you find it so the rest of us can take a look. Is it pre- or post- chip?
Rusty Goode
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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 21:27:54 GMT -5
Bonding with Joyce over Passions, quite unselfconscious on both their parts. Don't recall the episode name....
The subway slayer battle in Fool for Love. That's darn near ballet, Spike at his most pre-chip Spikeness, in full command of himself and loving every all-out second of it. That's why he kept the leather duster as a souvanir (sp?), I imagine.
His letting Buffy beat the crap out of him as a way--any way!--to keep her turning herself in at the police station for a murder she didn't commit.
His casual remark to Dawn, as they're observing the demon bikers tearing Sunnydale apart in Bargaining, that it looks like fun.
Not mentioned yet but obvious, his expression and pose when he realizes it's not the First Evil but Buffy herself holding that knife and cutting him loose, in Showtime.
His shoving The Annoying One into the cage and then hauling it into the sunlight. That's when I knew Spike could/would never play things safe.
I wonder how much of Lestat--particularly The Vampire Lestat and The Tale of the Body Thief--went into the initial conception of Spike? That urge to knock all the dominos down is very Lestat. But soon, of course, Spike evolved into very much his own vampire (and Lestat got philosophical and boring, but that's another story....)
Besides all that everybody else has mentioned, of course.
Counter topic: are there any BAD Spike moments?
Nan Dibble
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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 21:28:58 GMT -5
I must agree with all the aforementioned scenes and must add the scene where Buffy admits to him that she was in heaven. (Sorry, don't remember the title of the ep.)
Spike asks Buffy if she isn't leaving a hole in a big soggy group hug and she replies that she wants to be alone. At that Spike attempts to walk away but is reined in by sunlight. He squints up into the sun and looks a bit baffled. That moment is priceless! Of course Buffy then says she can be alone with him there. (Some people take this as a come down, but I believe that it proves how comfortable she is with Spike.) And in the balance of the scene Spike doesn't say a word. Out loud at least. His face does all the talking.
Tee heeeee, I love this board. 15 minutes ago I was fuming and now I'm mellow. I just checked my e-mail to find out that I now have to teach a tutorial,..., tomorrow morning. Great notice I tell you. I think I should quit my apointment in the Engineering Department and just take up a position in the Van Helsing Institute. It would be better for my blood pressure. Or, it could be worse for my blood pressure depending on how close I get to one of those blood suckers... And which blood sucker... And what we happened to be doing...
Oh dear... (wipes glasses with her shirt tail).
M. Watergal =^..^=
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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 21:29:40 GMT -5
I just read this on the STARS board and thought I would post it here -- it's from a speaking engagement that Nicholas Brendan did in Texas:
"One thing that Nicholas did mention, concerning acting, is that Cary Grant is an actor that Nicholas enjoys watching on screen. Another item that he commented on was James Marsters, who portrays Spike, is great as a person and especially great as a father. Nicholas said that you never really know what is important in life until you have a child of your own. Nicholas was quite impressed with James Marsters' role as an actual dad. James and his son are quite to behold, in awe. "
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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 21:30:33 GMT -5
Rusty said, "Maybe we should move to the top when we hit 5th place? If there's an active discussion going maybe the last couple of posts on that topic could also be moved, with a reference back to the number of the original post that started it going. I know that's more work and somebody might have a better idea. Also, if someone just started a topic before a move, a general invite to move it to the new thread could be included in the post that says "Hey we moved again."
I will try to keep track of us hitting 5th place. When we drop below 5th place (i.e., 6th place), I'll try to move the thread.
I would have a difficult time transferring any and/or all threads to the newest version of ATS/JM, so I think I might follow your second suggestion, re the general invite to move the post(s) to the newer ATS/JM site.
Hope this meets with general approval. I'll take it as being okay unless I hear any problems presented with this strategy.
Thank you, Rusty.
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 21:59:03 GMT -5
I had fun trying to come up with the episodes and seasons for Diane's Spike scenes. To recap from Diane's post:
1) "Spike enters Buffy's yard, shotgun in hand and murder in mind. Finds her in tears over the news of her mother's brain tumor and sits down beside her offering whatever awkward comfort he can.
2) Spike waking from an erotic dream starring himself and Buffy to realize, to his horror, that he's in love with her. 3) Spike and Riley uncomfortably discussing the end of Riley's relationship with Buffy. Spike offers a swig from his booze and Riley accepts.
4) Same scene, Spike's imaginings to what it would be like to make love to Buffy.
5) Kitten poker with Buffy's periodic gasps of disgust from Spike's booze.
6) Spike and Buffy "bringing down the house".
7) Spike and Xander in Spike's crypt and Spike's earlobe lifting as an invisible Buffy nibbles. Xander's admonition that Spike REALLY needs a girlfriend."
======================================= My Guesses: ======================================= 1) Fool for Love/Season 5
2) Out of My Mind/Season 5
3&4) Into the Woods/Season 5
5) Life Serial/Season 6
6) Smashed/Season 6
7) Gone/Season 6
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 22:11:17 GMT -5
I think it is "Family" Season 5. It is another of Spike's fantasies with Buffy. A very suggestive scene, where Buffy(?) in the fantasy is saying, "I'm coming. I'm coming right now." When we snap back to Spike in reality, he is in bed with Harmony 'finishing up'.
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 22:12:02 GMT -5
On Slayage.com from the buzz- Deconstructing Spike/William, Angel/Liam
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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 22:12:45 GMT -5
Thank you, Michelle. that's the first reliable info on JM being a dad. Sounds like some young man is very lucky. I'm glad to hear JM is a good dad - that role often separates the mature from the immature, the giving from the self-centered.
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Post by Dalton on Jun 23, 2003 22:14:07 GMT -5
Speaking of deconstructing Angel/Liam, Spike/William - here is something I recently noticed when I watched the episode on the First Season DVD where Buffy finds out Angel is a vampire with a soul. This is the confrontation that ends with Darla showing up, and Angel staking Darla.
Here is what I noticed (quotes are from memory, so not likely word for word): Buffy is aiming a loaded crossbow at Angel when he says to her: “I wanted to kill you tonight.” Her immediate reaction is to disarm herself. She drops the crossbow.
She approaches Angel unarmed, tilting her head to expose her neck. He hesitates and she says, “Not as easy as it looks, is it?” That’s when Darla interrupts to say that she is happy to kill Buffy, even if Angel won’t.
I was immediately put in mind of the church scene in “Beneath You”, when Buffy finds out Spike is a vampire with a soul. He says, “I dreamt of killing you.” Her immediate reaction is to arm herself; she picks up a sharp piece of broken wood.
Buffy’s opposite reactions aren’t about an actual difference in the degree of threat to her – which I would set at zero in both cases. Spike is across the room, sounding about as weak and ineffectual as he has ever sounded. By this time, she has known him for several years, and he passed up hundreds of perfect opportunities to kill her. Angel is right in front of her, sounding clear and competent, and she barely knows him.
So it’s Buffy who is different, not the actual degree of threat, nor some reasonable assessment of that degree. She is much more scared and cautious with her heart by Season 7. She’s no longer full of innocent confidence in what her feelings and experiences are telling her, no longer so openhearted, willing to take a chance and believe the best. She’s experienced tremendous losses. She’s all about protecting herself at the first sign of a threat.
I do see Buffy now starting to allow herself to trust again - I see this in the renewed confidence in herself, which is step one. She’s got to find the right balance between the naiveté of youth and the dark suspicion of someone recovering from traumatic pain and loss.
But where on the spectrum is Buffy going to be, at the end of the Season, when it comes to love?
Edited By Spring Summers at 1/13/2003 9:11:00 PM.
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