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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 13:37:36 GMT -5
Thanks to Spring's directions, I finally ankled over to investigate the discussion of AtS's renewal rather in the manner of a cat investigating a dead locust: my primary concern being, was it gonna jump and eat me? were people saying evil vicious things that would haunt me for days? was it illegal? immoral? fattening? The answer was none of the above, and I commend the S'cubie posters who were so cordial and civil, particularly Rob. The grunts (and dead locusts) don't always have it their way. Nan
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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 13:39:37 GMT -5
David said, "Can you imagine THAT conversation? "So did Buffy ever ... you know ... for you? She did!? Damn, she refused for me. Was it any good? Well, that's a relief -- at least I didn't miss out on anything ...." " David you are so baaaaddddddd! Whoops! Or maybe I'm the one??? I was thinking of Spike and the Buffybot in "Intervention" right before the Glory minions crash his crypt, and Buffybot is getting up off her knees... Since Warren programmed the Buffybot under Spike's instructions, maybe Spike was comparing the bot to the real thing and deciding the bot had it all over the human version when it came to "hoovering."
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 18:40:21 GMT -5
Well, but remember when Spike told Invisible Buffy she was "cheating?" That kinda suggested fun was being had.
Spring Summers
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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 18:42:38 GMT -5
//Because Cordy left after season three of Buffy, and Spike came on, and I think at some point Joss said that he pictured Spike as kind of taking over Cordelia's role as the truthteller of the group.// Not to slight Spike in any way, but I sort of remember that quote -- and believe it was Anya he was referring to as becoming the new truthteller.
David Crenshaw
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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 18:44:09 GMT -5
//Oh well, Harm and Mac didn't get together this season anyway, so I dodged a bullet. Those two have pussyfooted around for three seasons, sparring and giving off sparks and I would have been p*ssed to have missed them getting together.// Typical formula television -- the writers have a couple they know can never be together, not in the sense that the fans don't want it to happen, but they know it's the desire for them to be together that keeps people tuning in and as soon as they give in and let the couple be together, well the show is over. Take Lois and Clark -- they went season after season toying with the idea of those two being together, and it drove the fans nuts, but when it finally happened, that was the last season of the show, because it was boring after that. Joss knew the trap well when he introduced Buffy and Angel. He knew the last thing he wanted to do was to let them be together, but then he also didn't want to tease the audience ad nauseum by never letting them be together. That's why he created the gypsy curse -- he took a page from Sam & Diane -- bring them together, but immediately rip them apart again to keep it interesting. It's a successful formula, but the tricky part is coming up with believable reasons to keep ripping them apart. Anyhow, Harm and Mac are that typical couple everyone wants to be together, but the writers know as soon as it happens, the show is over.
David Crenshaw
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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 18:46:09 GMT -5
//[Lilah!!?!?!??!?!? I thought she was dead!!!!]// Shannon, sounds as if you've missed more than just the Angel finale if I gave away more than I should have.
David Crenshaw
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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 18:47:34 GMT -5
At this point, Spring, I'm not really sure I even want to speculate on the reasons Buffy chooses to not be with either vampire, just that, for me, I think it is important for the setup of next season's Angel that she does resolve something at least with Spike. Angel is more-or-less resolved, she can't be with him as long as the pesky curse is there, and they know that. Like you said, she wants to make love, and he knows that, so no big surprise. Spike needs some sort of resolution, otherwise the last thing we're left knowing is that he's still madly in love with Buffy, that she's alive out there (assuming of course she survives the finale), and yet, he's in Los Angeles dealing with someone he really hasn't been fond of for a really long time. Then of course, Buffy could be severely dismembered, ensuring she'll not be returning from the dead ever again, Angel and Spike can both see this happen, and then they can spend the whole of next season drowning their sorrows at the Host's newly rebuilt Caritas.
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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 18:48:37 GMT -5
Kicking that dead horse one more time... I watch West Wing and Angel both - I'm just watching Angel on Thursdays,thank the Goddess for VCRs. Of course, there was this one night when Paul HAD to watch American Idol, and we were already taping WW and Angel - he ended up with the small black-and-white TV, with the sound off, on a chair next to him. And no, I don't intend to discuss West Wing here, I have my husband and parents for that. I'm going away before I say something even more dumb. G'night, all.
Anne Davis
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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 18:49:33 GMT -5
//[Lilah!!?!?!??!?!? I thought she was dead!!!!]// Dave said: Shannon, sounds as if you've missed more than just the Angel finale if I gave away more than I should have. /// no, it's ok, I saw her appear at the end of the last ep, but I figured it was The First taking her appearance, you know coz she's dead. *BUT* if Lilah hands Angel something, it means she is 'corporeal' and therefore not TFE. that where the surprise for me came from. [grin] I *Gotta* stop reading and get some sleep!! G'night all!
Shannon Hill
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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 18:52:00 GMT -5
//no, it's ok, I saw her appear at the end of the last ep, but I figured it was The First taking her appearance, you know coz she's dead. *BUT* if Lilah hands Angel something, it means she is 'corporeal' and therefore not TFE. that where the surprise for me came from. // Two things -- 1) TFE has yet to appear on Angel, that we know of (although Angel was the first person tormented by TFE in BtVS S3 "Amends"). 2) To be honest, I don't recall Lilah actually touching the file or the amulet -- she might have just as easily pulled a Sixth Sense Giles, and pointed to it on the desk.
David Crenshaw
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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 18:53:12 GMT -5
Nan, I'd forgotten to tell you how much I've enjoyed your interaction between Spike and Dawn. That is a relationship that needed mending, and there simply isn't time for the show to do it properly now. You have done a wonderful job filling a hole that Season Seven failed to address. Thank you. Overall, this has been a beautifully rendered version of what the second half of Season Seven should have been in many ways. Buffy's statement of the pecking order within the group was perfect. It's a shame that this didn't happen on the show itself. On the other hand, we have the benefit of hindsight. Poor Buffy didn't get a chance to adjust; Giles simply thrust everything on her. Still, your story makes me want to see them all bounce back so much it hurts. That alone made reading it worthwhile.
Rob Sorenson
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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 18:54:18 GMT -5
We're getting close to 500 posts again. Part Twenty-Seven is up and running. See you there!
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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 18:55:18 GMT -5
Hmm. If Buffy ISN'T in love with Spike, she's doing a flawless imitation. But I could see her giving both of them their walking papers, especially if she's no longer the Slayer. If she is no longer the slayer; then she will want to try 'normal' life without vampire boyfriends... Gail
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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 18:57:59 GMT -5
Shannon said:'I hope you have a direct line to Mr. Whedon, coz I'd love to see all that come about!!' If I had a direct line to Mr. Whedon, we'd have had a lot more naked Spike and a lot less tongue stud in the last episode.
Patti T.
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Post by Dalton on Oct 30, 2003 18:59:04 GMT -5
Betsy said"The name of Steve Martin's dog, indeed! " I'm as usual way behind on the catch up and someone has likely filled you in on Steve Martin's dog - he's our mascot here now and I guess the story is too long....basically I quoted from that movie, Dave quoted from that movie using the name of Steve's dog which is 'shithead' and everyone thought he called me that and it was a thing. And it ended up being one of those family stories we will probably refer to as long as we are Scubies.
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