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Post by Karen on Apr 12, 2007 14:16:13 GMT -5
A couple of things pointed out over on lost.cubit.net: The name of the airport Juliet was taken to was Herarat Aviation: Herarat is an anagram of Earhart—and we all know what Amelia Earhart is famous for. In fact, one poster speculated that perhaps Adam and Eve, the bodies Jack and Kate found the caves, are Amelia and her navigator Fred Noonan. The mark on the tree Juliet uses as a signpost to the stash of medicine is remarkably similar to the one branded onto her back. Some of the books in Ben's office include (and here I'm quoting the site verbatim): " Assassins by Tim F. LaHaye & Jerry B. Jenkins, which is part of the Left Behind (familiar?) series about the end times. Pop Goes the Weasel by James Patterson, a crime thriller. The Royals by Kitty Kelley, an examination of the British Royal Family. Stitches in Time by Barbara Michaels, about magical quilts and the good and bad powers they possess. Women Who Run With Wolves by Clarissa Pinkola Estes, about the myths of Wild Women and a call to the awakening of the Wild Woman in modern women." I also noticed, while looking at the freeze frame of Ben and his books, that he has lots of framed butterflies on display; perhaps there's a copy of The Collector by John Fowles on one of the shelves as well? And it appears the prop department screwed up bigtime: the report Ben hands Juliet, ostensibly about her sister, is in fact the chart of a 187lb man with heart problems. So either someone on the production staff made a huge mistake, or we in fact have proof that Ben lied about Rachel's cancer and relied on Juliet's being too upset about the patient she just lost to really scrutinize the chart closely. I haven't watched this episode yet. I have, however, read Stitches in Time. As I recall, and according to my quick scan of my copy, it's not about "magical quilts"; it's about vengeance, beginning with a slave seamstress who puts her hatred and frustration into her sewing. The results, several generations later, are not of the good - ghosts and evil spirits, mostly, focusing around an old quilt. It's also, as many of Barbara Michaels-Mertz-Elizabeth Peters' works are, about female empowerment. I don't know what this has to do with Lost, but I'll let you know after I've viewed the episode. That's interesting! Especially the vengeance part, considering that the book that Juliette chose for the book club that week she and Benry had the argument about her sister was "Carrie". Could be that Juliet does have something up her sleeve and is waiting for her chance to break from Ben and the Others.
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Post by Squeemonster on Apr 12, 2007 14:26:53 GMT -5
I haven't watched this episode yet. I have, however, read Stitches in Time. As I recall, and according to my quick scan of my copy, it's not about "magical quilts"; it's about vengeance, beginning with a slave seamstress who puts her hatred and frustration into her sewing. The results, several generations later, are not of the good - ghosts and evil spirits, mostly, focusing around an old quilt. It's also, as many of Barbara Michaels-Mertz-Elizabeth Peters' works are, about female empowerment. I don't know what this has to do with Lost, but I'll let you know after I've viewed the episode. Very interesting. So it would appear that most of the books visible on the shelves have something to do with female empowerment, even though the episode itself implied Juliet is still under Ben's thumb. Maybe it's a hint to the viewers? (she said, eagerly grasping at this new straw) Or maybe something to do with the scientists trying to "help" those female patients who are unable to get pregnant? Trying to "empower" those women? I'm just throwing thoughts out there . . . .
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Post by SpringSummers on Apr 12, 2007 16:37:10 GMT -5
He is playing her, he is playing her, he is playing her. What else explains how easily he - Jack, careful, smart, stubborn-as-mule, suspicious, the last to give up Jack - fell for her manipulations? When he KNEW, from Ben, that she and her resemblance to his ex, and her attempts to gain his trust and sympathy, were deliberate, etc? When prior to the surgery, he wouldn't believe a word out of her mouth? Jack just plain isn't that easily manipulated. He is playing her. If he isn't, then this storyline, which has got my attention again, will constitute the biggest disappointment I've had in the show yet - because - IMO, of course - the show will fall down mightly in character consistency, and my respect for, and interest in, the "new Jack," will plummet wildly! (But I will still like his bod - yes, I am that shallow. ) You? Shallow?! This totally new piece of information has completely changed my view of the world. I like what you're saying about Jack playing her, and I agree. I also agree that if Jack really is trusting her, and if there is no other currently-unknown-to-us motivation for his actions, then that is bad character-writing. That would not be the Jack that we've known over the course of the show. Then again, maybe we've never really known Jack at all . . . . *cue creepy,foreboding music* And Spring? Stay away from Jack. MONNIE: 1) Love your avatar and caption and sig line! I wonder if Adam still dreams of me. 2) I can't help it, and I beg your forgiveness if I am incorrect, but - I detect a degree of sarcasm in your statement regarding my shallow yet very thorough appreciation of Jack's physical attributes, and I am very hurt. 3) Stay away from Jack? But he's so pretty!! Besides, Lola said I could have my way with him anytime I want.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 13, 2007 12:40:35 GMT -5
You? Shallow?! This totally new piece of information has completely changed my view of the world. I like what you're saying about Jack playing her, and I agree. I also agree that if Jack really is trusting her, and if there is no other currently-unknown-to-us motivation for his actions, then that is bad character-writing. That would not be the Jack that we've known over the course of the show. Then again, maybe we've never really known Jack at all . . . . *cue creepy,foreboding music* And Spring? Stay away from Jack. MONNIE: 1) Love your avatar and caption and sig line! I wonder if Adam still dreams of me. 2) I can't help it, and I beg your forgiveness if I am incorrect, but - I detect a degree of sarcasm in your statement regarding my shallow yet very thorough appreciation of Jack's physical attributes, and I am very hurt. 3) Stay away from Jack? But he's so pretty!! Besides, Lola said I could have my way with him anytime I want. Hey, don't drag me into this! Um. Except if Monnie and Spring are busy with Jack, then Sawyer is free to pursue Sayid . . . . Carry on, you guys, carry on!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 6:12:35 GMT -5
Teaser
So the Suburbia is more than a day away from the Lostie's camp
And I didn't ask any questions.
Is there more to his experience than Jack's telling?
Go Sayid, right to the point.
The first thing I'd like to know is "who are you?"
"Downtown" playing again.
Back at this scene again.
Supposed to have been 3 months.
If I told you everything I was, if I told you everything I know, you'd kill me. Well, let's have it then!
What do you think I'll do if you don't? Better answer than I had!
Jack is protecting Juliet? Why?
God, Juliet is smug and annoying.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 6:23:00 GMT -5
Part I
Is Jack just smitten with Juliet, or is it something else?
6 months. OK.
Taking her vitals? Here?
Drugging the orange juice? Yep, not lying about it either. Ooookay.
Why was Juliet OK with things up until that point? They try to recruit types like her?
She's in a hatch? Ah, this is the submarine.
She's definitely not dressed for the jungle.
Meeting Ben.
Claire's really getting sick.
Sawyer's generous when things are serious.
They return.
Love Sawyer's reactions here.
Juliet, one of them, not one of us.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 6:32:50 GMT -5
Part II
Hurley will talk to Juliet, though.
The Others shocked the Losties? I don't remember that. I thought it was tranq darts.
Who is this on the operating table?
Goodwin.
Sabine.
Something happens at conception?
Ben doesn't want to lose any of his toys friends.
No one on the island has cancer. That's an odd thing to say, except to tie into the fact that Ben later has a tumor. Statistically speaking, how many people would you expect to have cancer in a group the size of The Others? Of course, Roses' cancer has disappeared, or so she believes.
Let the mind games begin!
Got the info from Mikail. So does mean he actually is one of The Others, or they just have some kind of alliance?
Jacob. Unless, of course, you don't have faith in him? IIIIEEEE!!!
About Sayid's torture skillz. Well, ain't that convenient? Ouch.
Well, the fact that I trust her should be enough. No, it's not. Not after all that's happened; the Losties need more.
Jack's getting a major reality check here.
Bug-eyed bastard. Hee!
She knows what's wrong with Claire. Because she did it to her.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 6:42:30 GMT -5
Part III
Drug designed to keep her alive during the late stages of her pregnancy. Is she telling the truth here?
Ethan took blood samples of everyone. Ah, hence Claire's dream.
So it's the *Lostie's* fault that Claire was kidnapped, because they found out that Ethan wasn't on the plane. Of course. Bullshit, Juliet.
Ethan kidnapped her on her own.
Withdrawal took a long time to manifest. It's suspicious.
Juliet's sleeping with Goodwin. EWWWWWWW!!!
3 years later.
Ben's tumors.
Karl developed them.
Carrie. For the bookclub.
Ben's scared.
If you can cure cancer, Ben, then why do you have it? I don't know.
So, is Rachael alive, dead, a mother, not a mother, cancer ridden, cancer free?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 6:52:26 GMT -5
Part IV
Symbol on the tree. Huh.
I'm going to test the validity of that statement. Boo Ya!
We cleared our schedules. HEE!!
You know what's interesting, that you two are know the camp's moral police. Nice try, Juliet.
Basra. Do we know about this?
Just because Sayid and Sawyer have shady pasts doesn't mean that they aren't justified now. Sayid for one has never acted to hurt anyone in the camp, Juliet has.
And now we're back to the scene in the pilot. And what she was upset about was her sister.
So, I guess I'm out of the book club. I'd say so.
At Mikail's. getting the info about the plane.
Acadia Park.
Richard?
There's the child.
Julian.
She need's to finish her work.
The mother's keep dying. Then we'll find more mothers.
I'm already on my own, Jack.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 7:02:11 GMT -5
Coda
Old track marks on Charlie's arm.
They're good people. (That's not what The Other's say) They're willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. (They are?) But eventually, they're going to need some answers. (How about answers right now?)
Why doesn't she have to explain herself to Jack? She wants to get off the island more than anything else in the world. That makes you one of us. (That actually makes sense, but I'm still not sure that there's not something she wants more.)
And here it is. Ben and Juliet actually believe that Kate will believe that Juliet lying to her was a way to earn Kate's trust? But on the other hand, they do realize that The Losties are pissed about everything that's been done to them, so The Others aren't completely insane.
They activated an implant in Claire? OMG, bastards.
Pryce. Ethan's old drop point.
See you in a week. Juliet doesn't look like she's going to go along with the plan, at least, not anymore than she's already done.
Now Juliet has an eeeevil look on her face.
Significance of tying the knot?
So is Juliet following Ben's agenda or her own?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 7:12:04 GMT -5
And she acts like a Soap Opera Amnesiac.. "What happened?" "Here's the peace-offering that you get for not killing Claire." Is Jack talking to the producers from the audience? "good people. Gonna need some answers" "You wanna get off this island more than anything else in the world. Makes you one of us" So she's included in their tribe. SHIT. It's a freakin' ploy. DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT. razzle-frazzing ratzen-katzen.. IMPLANT? JEEBUS. She may still want to get off this island more than anything else in the world, but she's not particular who she works with on it. Dangit. I was SO hoping that she wasn't a plant. Not only is she a plant, but Jack KNOWS it. He is playing her. I'm sure of it. I sure hope so. Him being all calm and accepting would make so much more sense if he was hoping to gather more information that way.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 7:22:55 GMT -5
The thing about Juliet's character is that she is so likeable and sincere in her flashbacks. She is truly concerned about her sister. She is also very beautiful. I think she has a true scientist's curiosity and it was the reason she was intrigued and took the weirdo job (hi Gail!) and sucked down the Kool-Aid juice with the tranquilizer in it so quickly. I also think that Ben is manipulating her and has been from the beginning, especially where it concerns 'helping' the women to carry to term and blaming the island for it not happening. I think that they are experimenting on the babies in the womb and had been using Juliet to help bring them to term, but it hasn't been working.I think Juliet is playing both ends against the middle, and is going to suffer for it, unless she turns coat and joins with the Losties. Right now, I don't see any reason why she would do that. She doesn't give off any vibes (IMO) of being attracted to Jack, and he doesn't seem attracted to her either. I could be missing something there, tho. She knows too much about what is going on on the island, and there is no way The Others would let her stay with our Losties if they thought she was going to turn on them. Are the cameras on the island still working? If they are, then they are watching her every move. If she is thinking of turning to the good side, she'll have to be very careful about how she does it. Ooh! A likely possibility.Do we know that they have cameras? Other than in the hatches, I mean?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 7:39:08 GMT -5
A couple of things pointed out over on lost.cubit.net: The name of the airport Juliet was taken to was Herarat Aviation: Herarat is an anagram of Earhart—and we all know what Amelia Earhart is famous for. In fact, one poster speculated that perhaps Adam and Eve, the bodies Jack and Kate found the caves, are Amelia and her navigator Fred Noonan. The mark on the tree Juliet uses as a signpost to the stash of medicine is remarkably similar to the one branded onto her back. Some of the books in Ben's office include (and here I'm quoting the site verbatim): " Assassins by Tim F. LaHaye & Jerry B. Jenkins, which is part of the Left Behind (familiar?) series about the end times. Pop Goes the Weasel by James Patterson, a crime thriller. The Royals by Kitty Kelley, an examination of the British Royal Family. Stitches in Time by Barbara Michaels, about magical quilts and the good and bad powers they possess. Women Who Run With Wolves by Clarissa Pinkola Estes, about the myths of Wild Women and a call to the awakening of the Wild Woman in modern women." I also noticed, while looking at the freeze frame of Ben and his books, that he has lots of framed butterflies on display; perhaps there's a copy of The Collector by John Fowles on one of the shelves as well? And it appears the prop department screwed up bigtime: the report Ben hands Juliet, ostensibly about her sister, is in fact the chart of a 187lb man with heart problems. So either someone on the production staff made a huge mistake, or we in fact have proof that Ben lied about Rachel's cancer and relied on Juliet's being too upset about the patient she just lost to really scrutinize the chart closely. Now that I've seen a still shot of the mark on the tree (also the mark on Juliet, interesting!), it looks like a letter in the cyrillic alphabet. The one that's a soft "g" sound, like the second g in "garage" or the s in "measure." I have no idea what that means. Interesting about the medical chart. It looks like the gender was whited out and then "male" written over. Weird.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 7:50:14 GMT -5
Turniphead all by himself: where's Claire? Oh, right there, just with narcolepsy... Aw! Charlie being all sweet and concerned and stuff!!!! And Claire's got dengue fever or sleeping sickness or something dramatic like that. SHE dragged Kate to the middle of the jungle? What, was she looking for some private time with her? This is a new twist on last week... So she got left behind because she was off playing reindeer games with Kate? Okay, so the medical checkup for the job? "You're gonna want to be asleep for the trip" What, is she Jaunting? (Stephen King is gonna giggle.) Gotta admit, it would save tons of time, and would explain The Man from Tallahassee...These people have mastered the art of the reverse sell. So... one night from Portland, the next morning on Craphole Island. she Jaunted. the submarine is a prop. Teleportation. Well, the sub obviously works around the island, but it's not the way they get on and off the island. Leader Sawyer is hewing to Hugo's words, even if he's still harassing him. And the prodigals return. With someone who Sawyer will feel is a mengleette. Homecoming! Joyous! he wants to be a part! Manlove!!!!! Oh, come on, Jack, Sawyer, hug like you mean it. Aw. Katwer huggles. And there's the fly in the ointment. Dude.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 8:10:35 GMT -5
What I don't understand is why Juliet ever left her sister to take this weirdo job with a company no one ever heard of and go far away...
And why did the Others need Juliet to do whatever they've got her doing now. They have Locke, they had Sayid and Jack and Kate; why didn't they just keep them?
Unless the Others want all the Lostaways dead?
I have never trusted Juliet.
GAIL I think the Others feel that the Lostaways are "theirs" to play with anytime they want to. It doesn't matter if they actually have them in custody or not. And, yeah. Why on earth would anyone take that job? Not to mention, drink the orange juice. Makes me think of the recruiting for The Firm. I believe that they would recruit a specific personality type or some one with a particular background who would do just that.
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