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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 8:18:50 GMT -5
About babies and cancer.
There's been research about the similarities between rapidly dividing cancer cells and the rapidly dividing cells in an embryo. So, assuming that the island actually does both prevent women from having babies and also cures cancer, I find that connection plausible.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 8:24:17 GMT -5
Juliet tells Jack that she's "on her own." I'm leaning towards her having her own agenda, even though she used Ben's strategy to infiltrate into the group.
I'm definitely leaning towards Jack playing Juliet.
I'm not convinced there's camera's in the trees, but that doesn't mean that Juliet's not being watched. I suspect that The Others as a whole are being watched by some one else.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 8:31:36 GMT -5
Yep. I've been trying to remember who killed him. - Thanks to Sara, - it was Ana Lucia. I wonder if they sent Michael back to kill her. Killing Ana Lucia was never one of The Others' requests. But it is interesting that Michael killed Ana Lucia who killed Goodwin. And now Desmond is getting vibes that Charlie, who killed Ethan, is going to die...
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 8:40:17 GMT -5
Yes, I also noticed the grin, and I thought of it as a sure, telltale sign that he is faking her out all the way. Jack's words and actions really don't make sense to me any other way. And it could explain why he was so pissed when Kate and the posse showed up to save him - he was working his own angle. Also - Locke could be doing the same thing by staying with the Others. There's quite a bit of Donnie Brasco stuff going on in the show right now. Can you infiltrate a group and not adopt their values and experience a change in loyalties? Juliet in The Losties' camp, Locke in The Others camp (if spying is indeed what Locke is doing).
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 9:00:55 GMT -5
Also, Juliet doesn't understand Korean. Could be useful for The Losties.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 9:51:30 GMT -5
Also, there was no mention of possibly staying in Suburbia after The Others abandoned it. Not even a reason given for not moving there, like it was tainted with The Others' prescence or something.
Of course, if The Others are only going to be gone a week, then perhaps its best that The Losties aren't planning on moving to Suburbia.
Also, I guess Nikki and Paolo really are dead. I was thinking that Nikki at the very least might still be alive, since she only got bit once, and they were buried in sand, which shouldn't be too hard to dig out of, but no dice, I guess.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 10:05:48 GMT -5
In the light of the discussion about pregnancy and such, what about Rousseau?
Mostly asking cause I'm hazy on the details of her backstory at the moment.
And can The Others have put sick making implants in her crew, and that's how they got sick?
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Post by Karen on Apr 14, 2007 11:41:33 GMT -5
Yep. I've been trying to remember who killed him. - Thanks to Sara, - it was Ana Lucia. I wonder if they sent Michael back to kill her. Killing Ana Lucia was never one of The Others requests. But it is interesting that Michael killed Ana Lucia who killed Goodwin. And now Desmond is getting vibes that Charlie, who killed Ethan, is going to die... It seemed interesting to me that Michael didn't seem to hesitate or show remorse when he killed Ana Lucia, but when it came to killing Lilly (was it?), he showed horror. It could be that he was shown Ana Lucia's background and that led him to believe she was one of the 'bad' ones, and it made it easier for him to kill her. I know we haven't been shown that killing Ana Lucia was on The Others' agenda, but in this show, we often aren't shown motives until long after the fact.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 14, 2007 11:57:37 GMT -5
Killing Ana Lucia was never one of The Others requests. But it is interesting that Michael killed Ana Lucia who killed Goodwin. And now Desmond is getting vibes that Charlie, who killed Ethan, is going to die... It seemed interesting to me that Michael didn't seem to hesitate or show remorse when he killed Ana Lucia, but when it came to killing Lilly (was it?), he showed horror. It could be that he was shown Ana Lucia's background and that led him to believe she was one of the 'bad' ones, and it made it easier for him to kill her. I know we haven't been shown that killing Ana Lucia was on The Others' agenda, but in this show, we often aren't shown motives until long after the fact. As I recall, he seemed very unnerved when he shot her. I didn't get the feeling that he felt it was OK to shoot her, just that it was necessary in order to release Ben, in order to get Walt back. I personally don't think he was given any more information than what we saw in that episode: release Ben and bring those four to The Others, but it's always possible there was more to that flashback that we didn't see.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Apr 16, 2007 9:00:34 GMT -5
So. I watched this episode, which, meh.
I reread Stitches in Time.
I find no correlation between the two. That doesn't mean there isn't one in the minds of the writers, just that I didn't see any.
An earlier novel involving some of the same characters as SiT, Ammie, Come Home, has a ghost that manifests as a black smoke monster sort of thing, for whatever that's worth.
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Post by Karen on Apr 16, 2007 11:01:28 GMT -5
So. I watched this episode, which, meh. I reread Stitches in Time. I find no correlation between the two. That doesn't mean there isn't one in the minds of the writers, just that I didn't see any. An earlier novel involving some of the same characters as SiT, Ammie, Come Home, has a ghost that manifests as a black smoke monster sort of thing, for whatever that's worth. Huh. Maybe just the title is a clue, and it's a bit like the old proverb: A stitch in time saves nine.Meaning: You use this proverb to say that it is better to spend a little time to deal with problems or act right now than wait. If you wait until late, things will get worse, and it will take much longer to deal with them. It is often shortened to "A stitch in time." Sawyer also said when he and Sayid confronted Juliette in the woods something like "All we have is time." or "We have a lot of time." Now I want to rewatch the ep for more references to time.
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Post by Jan on Apr 16, 2007 12:14:25 GMT -5
Okay. I'm just gonna say it so it's out there and on the record, so to speak, but I know there's little point in trying to convince the rest of y'all: I still think Juliet might turn out okay. I know, I know. Call me naive, call me a trusting idiot, whatever. But there are lots of ways this storyline could go: she could have agreed to go along with Ben's plan in order to get away from him and the Others, she could be playing along with the intent to double-cross him later on... there's lots of plausible scenarios that could easily end with her on the Losties' side. I also realize it's not very likely, that if she were planning on betraying Ben she'd have told Jack about their plan, that she could have a grudge against the Losties over what happened to Goodwin, etc. I know all the logical reasons I should just give up and face the reality: Juliet's a liar, is playing our gang like a virtuoso, and will eventually betray all of them—most likely breaking Jack's heart in the process. But I'm gonna continue believing she'll end up a good guy anyway. You might be right. As for the red, she may have already told Jack about Ben's plan, and that might be the meaning of the "grin" someone mentioned earlier. She certainly seemed like an ok person before she was taken to the island, and the constant humiliation by her ex-husband might be enough reason to take the risk with those wacky scientists who were offering her another job. On the other hand, she may have Stockholm syndrome by now, in which case I think Jack is on to her and waiting to see what she'll do. The last few episodes have definitely rekindled the fire under my interest in this show--not that it was totally dead, like Rich's. And also, I like you all naive and trusting.
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Post by Jan on Apr 16, 2007 12:28:59 GMT -5
Benry takes Juliette to see Mikhail. Ah! That's how they do the "all knowing" act. Just watch the news, get the flight manifest, get background info on all of them. Not magical, just technology and amazingly good research skills.Not to rain on the logic parade or anything, but what research bore the info regarding Sawyer killing that guy the day before the plane crashed? Did they Google "vengeful con men who got duped?" Whoa, Rob! You get to wear the smarty pants for a whole week! That completely slipped by me--and maybe by their continuity people, too. Unless the Others' info gathering is way more than just surfing the web. ETA Or you know, what Lola said.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Apr 16, 2007 12:39:35 GMT -5
So. I watched this episode, which, meh. I reread Stitches in Time. I find no correlation between the two. That doesn't mean there isn't one in the minds of the writers, just that I didn't see any. An earlier novel involving some of the same characters as SiT, Ammie, Come Home, has a ghost that manifests as a black smoke monster sort of thing, for whatever that's worth. Huh. Maybe just the title is a clue, and it's a bit like the old proverb: A stitch in time saves nine.Meaning: You use this proverb to say that it is better to spend a little time to deal with problems or act right now than wait. If you wait until late, things will get worse, and it will take much longer to deal with them. It is often shortened to "A stitch in time." Sawyer also said when he and Sayid confronted Juliette in the woods something like "All we have is time." or "We have a lot of time." Now I want to rewatch the ep for more references to time. Or maybe they just needed a book to fill out the shelf, and grabbed one from somebody. Sometimes a cigar is just a smelly roll of addictive nasty dried leaves. Anne, color me cynical
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Post by Sara on Apr 16, 2007 12:51:20 GMT -5
Not to rain on the logic parade or anything, but what research bore the info regarding Sawyer killing that guy the day before the plane crashed? Did they Google "vengeful con men who got duped?" Whoa, Rob! You get to wear the smarty pants for a whole week! That completely slipped by me--and maybe by their continuity people, too. Unless the Others' info gathering is way more than just surfing the web. Here's how I fanwanked that one: If they did a background search on Sawyer, they undoubtedly came up with a list of prior partners and accomplices—including the guy who sent Sawyer to Australia. I also image they tried to find out why everyone was flying from Australia to the U.S., which would entail retracing their steps in the days before the plane took off. We know Sawyer was brought in by the Australian police for something, as we saw him in the background at the station during Boone's flashback—and he clearly wasn't there of his own volition. Since Sawyer killed the Fake!Sawyer the night before he left and Boone was in the station the afternoon of that same day, they obviously couldn't have be questioning Sawyer about the killing. But he did something that put him on their radar, which means the Others had reason to think Sawyer wasn't in Sydney to visit the opera house. So if I'm them, I check to see what crimes were committed in the Sydney area while Sawyer was there—and in particular between his visit to the station and when he left. The (presumably) unsolved murder of an American would most definitely draw my attention, and I suspect it wouldn't take long to find the connection between the victim and Sawyer's former partner. So my thinking is that while the Others didn't know for certain what Sawyer had done, they had to feel pretty confident about the conclusion the evidence led them to; then Juliet simply used the old trick of stating their deduction as if she knew it was true and let Sawyer's reaction tell her whether she'd been right. Which would go toward explaining her expression after their exchange—part of her was relieved that her semi-bluff in accusing Sawyer of the murder turned out to have not been a bluff at all.
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