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Post by Jan on Apr 16, 2007 13:06:20 GMT -5
Whoa, Rob! You get to wear the smarty pants for a whole week! That completely slipped by me--and maybe by their continuity people, too. Unless the Others' info gathering is way more than just surfing the web. Here's how I fanwanked that one: If they did a background search on Sawyer, they undoubtedly came up with a list of prior partners and accomplices—including the guy who sent Sawyer to Australia. I also image they tried to find out why everyone was flying from Australia to the U.S., which would entail retracing their steps in the days before the plane took off. We know Sawyer was brought in by the Australian police for something, as we saw him in the background at the station during Boone's flashback—and he clearly wasn't there of his own volition. Since Sawyer killed the Fake!Sawyer the night before he left and Boone was in the station the afternoon of that same day, they obviously couldn't have be questioning Sawyer about the killing. But he did something that put him on their radar, which means the Others had reason to think Sawyer wasn't in Sydney to visit the opera house. So if I'm them, I check to see what crimes were committed in the Sydney area while Sawyer was there—and in particular between his visit to the station and when he left. The (presumably) unsolved murder of an American would most definitely draw my attention, and I suspect it wouldn't take long to find the connection between the victim and Sawyer's former partner. So my thinking is that while the Others didn't know for certain what Sawyer had done, they had to feel pretty confident about the conclusion the evidence led them to; then Juliet simply used the old trick of stating their deduction as if she knew it was true and let Sawyer's reaction tell her whether she'd been right. Which would go toward explaining her expression after their exchange—part of her was relieved that her semi-bluff in accusing Sawyer of the murder turned out to have not been a bluff at all. Kewl. When you fanwank, you don't mess around. Yeah, it's what I was thinking, but without all the, you know, actual reasoning it out.
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Post by Sara on Apr 16, 2007 13:21:28 GMT -5
Kewl. When you fanwank, you don't mess around. Yeah, it's what I was thinking, but without all the, you know, actual reasoning it out. *refrains from making obvious joke*
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 16, 2007 13:50:57 GMT -5
Kewl. When you fanwank, you don't mess around. Yeah, it's what I was thinking, but without all the, you know, actual reasoning it out. *refrains from making obvious joke*
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Post by Karen on Apr 16, 2007 14:59:15 GMT -5
Huh. Maybe just the title is a clue, and it's a bit like the old proverb: A stitch in time saves nine.Meaning: You use this proverb to say that it is better to spend a little time to deal with problems or act right now than wait. If you wait until late, things will get worse, and it will take much longer to deal with them. It is often shortened to "A stitch in time." Sawyer also said when he and Sayid confronted Juliette in the woods something like "All we have is time." or "We have a lot of time." Now I want to rewatch the ep for more references to time. Or maybe they just needed a book to fill out the shelf, and grabbed one from somebody. Sometimes a cigar is just a smelly roll of addictive nasty dried leaves. Anne, color me cynical Heh. I tend to think everything that looks like hints to solving the mystery of Lost are intentional. Color me naive.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 17, 2007 7:17:12 GMT -5
Huh. Maybe just the title is a clue, and it's a bit like the old proverb: A stitch in time saves nine.Meaning: You use this proverb to say that it is better to spend a little time to deal with problems or act right now than wait. If you wait until late, things will get worse, and it will take much longer to deal with them. It is often shortened to "A stitch in time." Sawyer also said when he and Sayid confronted Juliette in the woods something like "All we have is time." or "We have a lot of time." Now I want to rewatch the ep for more references to time. Or maybe they just needed a book to fill out the shelf, and grabbed one from somebody. Sometimes a cigar is just a smelly roll of addictive nasty dried leaves. Anne, color me cynical It's tough figuring out what is obsessive detail and what is just happenstance sometimes, eh? Like Joss and the cheeseman. Who we all keep finding deeping meaning for while he insists the guy was just pure meaninglessness. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Apr 17, 2007 7:18:26 GMT -5
Here's how I fanwanked that one: If they did a background search on Sawyer, they undoubtedly came up with a list of prior partners and accomplices—including the guy who sent Sawyer to Australia. I also image they tried to find out why everyone was flying from Australia to the U.S., which would entail retracing their steps in the days before the plane took off. We know Sawyer was brought in by the Australian police for something, as we saw him in the background at the station during Boone's flashback—and he clearly wasn't there of his own volition. Since Sawyer killed the Fake!Sawyer the night before he left and Boone was in the station the afternoon of that same day, they obviously couldn't have be questioning Sawyer about the killing. But he did something that put him on their radar, which means the Others had reason to think Sawyer wasn't in Sydney to visit the opera house. So if I'm them, I check to see what crimes were committed in the Sydney area while Sawyer was there—and in particular between his visit to the station and when he left. The (presumably) unsolved murder of an American would most definitely draw my attention, and I suspect it wouldn't take long to find the connection between the victim and Sawyer's former partner. So my thinking is that while the Others didn't know for certain what Sawyer had done, they had to feel pretty confident about the conclusion the evidence led them to; then Juliet simply used the old trick of stating their deduction as if she knew it was true and let Sawyer's reaction tell her whether she'd been right. Which would go toward explaining her expression after their exchange—part of her was relieved that her semi-bluff in accusing Sawyer of the murder turned out to have not been a bluff at all. Kewl. When you fanwank, you don't mess around. Yeah, it's what I was thinking, but without all the, you know, actual reasoning it out. Um, I mean, me too!
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Post by Lola m on Apr 17, 2007 7:18:51 GMT -5
Kewl. When you fanwank, you don't mess around. Yeah, it's what I was thinking, but without all the, you know, actual reasoning it out. *refrains from making obvious joke* Sara!
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Post by Sara on Apr 17, 2007 16:08:43 GMT -5
So, out of curiosity I rewatched the bit where Jack and Juliet are joking about how long it'll take folks like Sayid and Kate to get past what Juliet did to them, and I noticed something: when she tells him about handcuffing herself to Kate and then lying about why, he's not surprised to hear about it. Like, at all. Nor did she share the info in a confessional-type tone, but rather in a very casual way—more like she was reiterating a fact or story both of them knew. One possibility, of course, is that Kate told Jack what happened. But if that were true, chances are Jack would have responded to what Juliet said with something like "yeah, Kate mentioned something like that." Plus Juliet wasn't surprised that Jack wasn't surprised—not the reaction you'd expect if Juliet actually thought she was telling Jack about the handcuff trick for the first time. Finally, there's the question Jack asked her: Are you nervous? While it's not out of place, it's not exactly what you'd expect him to ask either; to me, being nervous is more... positive than, say, being worried. If you're nervous about something, generally it implies you're uncertain but expecting/hoping for/anticipating a positive outcome; when you're worried, it implies you expect/fear the worst. For example, I might be nervous about my team's chances of winning in overtime, but worried about a friend's health. Nerves are about adrenaline, worries about anxiety. In this case, I'd expect Juliet to be worried about walking into an unfriendly situation more rather than nervous about it. However, people do tend to be nervous right before they begin a performance... Ah, yes—all this stretching feels so good...
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