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Post by Lola m on May 9, 2007 23:02:54 GMT -5
Brrr - excellent episode, but it gave me the creeps.
What happened to Little Ben's sweet little friend, the one who gave him the carven figures - did he have her killed too?I have the sinking feeling that, yes, he let her be killed too. Because it was expedient for him. He really was a good match, wasn't he? I too noticed how his mannerisms and movement "felt" like Benry. Ooooooh, that is a very intriguing idea! [/color][/quote] I wonder if he kept going out into the jungle and talking with Richard - helped set everything up, maybe? Got them the code to get past the fence, etc. And so they made him leader? Plus, after telling Richard about seeing dead mommy and so on, they probably saw him as the mystical Island guy, so . . . Which makes me wonder about Jacob. Is he/was he a "hostile"? A DI remnant? The Island god/monster that the hostile's have known about all along? Interesting that the "hostiles" kinda stepped into the Dharma folks shoes, at least in some aspects. Pretending to be them, recruiting other people like Juliette, doing experiments, etc.
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Post by Lola m on May 9, 2007 23:04:38 GMT -5
Haven't we seen Benry's gas mask before, like within the last month?
GAILWell, when the Others cleared out of their suburban neighborhood and left Jack and Kate and Sayid and Juliette behind, they were using gas masks then too. Thankfully, they used a different gas.
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Post by Matthew on May 9, 2007 23:12:01 GMT -5
THAT was bloody good.
And it brings back the whole "Oz" thing that goes with the Henry Gale theme.
Little lying fracker.
And then there's Jacob, continuing the bible names. Jacob who wrestled with the angel.
Interesting how Locke could do no wrong in the face of the Others. Henry didn't like that one little bit. And as much as Locke is supposedly wising up and getting more and more experienced, he overestimated his power over his environment. You never stand at a mass grave's edge with your back to a.... thing like Benry.
And he's still a thing. I mean, I understand that he's supposed to be a made sociopath, but it's just the same as a mad dog: he's an animal that needs destruction because he will continue to infect and hurt and destroy all that he comes in contact with.
So that's how Roger got left in the bush on his beer run. I wonder what knocked the type II over, and where the others are stored.
And one question: how the hell do those "hostiles" count as the "original inhabitants of the island"?
And dang, but Benry is a cold-blooded s.o.b. Planning for years with the outsiders to murder everyone.
*toddles off to read everyone else's impressions*
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Post by Matthew on May 9, 2007 23:15:55 GMT -5
Dude! Ben's dad was the body Hurley found in the van! Unless there were other Work Men, yes indeedy do he was. And I suspect it was him, because this is the Island of the Daddy Issues, after all. There were plenty of others. But I remember Roger being the name of the corpus in the van. Which is all, y'know, moot now.
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Post by Matthew on May 9, 2007 23:17:54 GMT -5
Awwwww. It's little Benry's Island girlfriend that gave him the voo doo dolly present. "Now we never have to be away from each other." Why do I think this relationship is doomed? *snerk* Generic Dharma beer. "Kinda hard to celebrate on the day you killed your mom"?! WTF!!!! Man, dads on this show suck. Who the hell would say that to a kid? So he runs to the fence and sees dead mommy. The island monster, maybe? Showing one of it's types of faces? A gift from the big magic box? "It's not time yet, Benjamin." Hmmmm. What's with the grey line on the way to Jacob's house? Ash? Sand? Magical herbs that are keeping Jacob there, or keeping people and things away from Jacob?The plane folk meet Naomi! Hi, Naomi! "The whole world thinks we're dead?" "That's not important now!" "Don't you people want to be rescued?" Ah, they play the tape, but (conveniently?) don't play the "I hate you" bit. Or else Benry erased that. Play the other side - so they hear about the plans to attack them and grab preggos. She told Jack (supposedly recently) and he "hadn't decide what to do yet". OK. That's gonna go well. They looked like ashes to me.
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Post by Matthew on May 9, 2007 23:26:18 GMT -5
Little Benry, running away to the jungle, because daddy is an asshole. Combo to the fence and a bunny to test it. Awwww. Kill him, bunny! Kill him! The whispery voices . . . and then . . . WTF? Richard? Looking like he does now? WTHWTF? So, is he one of the "hostiles"? The "natives"? Or not? And why hasn't he aged one bit, eh? Benry tells him about seeing dead mommy and he don't seem surprised. Benry tells him he hates it "there" and wants to come with him and he don't seem surprised. "You're going to have to be very patient." "We're here." OK that place is just plain creepy. Creepy creepy creepy. Don't go in there! "Once I open the door, there's no turning back. You sure this is what you want?" "So be it." Drama queen. Empty chair. That isn't empty to Benry. So, he's crazier than a jailhouse rat, then. Well, it makes sense. "Help me." Eeep! And the place goes looney - it's the island monster!! So, Jacob is the island monster? And who said "help me"? If it wasn't Benry, with a changed voice and in the midst of a psychotic break, then was it Jacob? Which means, what? Dude! This entire episode is one giant OMGWTFBBQISLANDMONSTER?! ep. Picture of Jacob, allegedly, as he manifests to bounce Ben off a wall...Which means we got some wonderin' to do...
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Post by Onjel on May 10, 2007 6:50:16 GMT -5
Little Benry, running away to the jungle, because daddy is an asshole. Combo to the fence and a bunny to test it. Awwww. Kill him, bunny! Kill him! The whispery voices . . . and then . . . WTF? Richard? Looking like he does now? WTHWTF? So, is he one of the "hostiles"? The "natives"? Or not? And why hasn't he aged one bit, eh? Benry tells him about seeing dead mommy and he don't seem surprised. Benry tells him he hates it "there" and wants to come with him and he don't seem surprised. "You're going to have to be very patient." "We're here." OK that place is just plain creepy. Creepy creepy creepy. Don't go in there! "Once I open the door, there's no turning back. You sure this is what you want?" "So be it." Drama queen. Empty chair. That isn't empty to Benry. So, he's crazier than a jailhouse rat, then. Well, it makes sense. "Help me." Eeep! And the place goes looney - it's the island monster!! So, Jacob is the island monster? And who said "help me"? If it wasn't Benry, with a changed voice and in the midst of a psychotic break, then was it Jacob? Which means, what? Dude! This entire episode is one giant OMGWTFBBQISLANDMONSTER?! ep. Picture of Jacob, allegedly, as he manifests to bounce Ben off a wall...Which means we got some wonderin' to do... Ah, I thought I saw something resembling a man before Locke was thrown. We were talking about it and Sara was wondering if we actually did see Jacob. It appears we did. He hasn't been skinned has he? Because he looks . . . different. ;D
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Post by Squeemonster on May 10, 2007 8:41:20 GMT -5
Awwwww. It's little Benry's Island girlfriend that gave him the voo doo dolly present. "Now we never have to be away from each other." Why do I think this relationship is doomed? *snerk* Generic Dharma beer. "Kinda hard to celebrate on the day you killed your mom"?! WTF!!!! Man, dads on this show suck. Who the hell would say that to a kid? So he runs to the fence and sees dead mommy. The island monster, maybe? Showing one of it's types of faces? A gift from the big magic box? "It's not time yet, Benjamin." Hmmmm. What's with the grey line on the way to Jacob's house? Ash? Sand? Magical herbs that are keeping Jacob there, or keeping people and things away from Jacob?The plane folk meet Naomi! Hi, Naomi! "The whole world thinks we're dead?" "That's not important now!" "Don't you people want to be rescued?" Ah, they play the tape, but (conveniently?) don't play the "I hate you" bit. Or else Benry erased that. Play the other side - so they hear about the plans to attack them and grab preggos. She told Jack (supposedly recently) and he "hadn't decide what to do yet". OK. That's gonna go well. They looked like ashes to me. That substance made me think of the smoke monster. Maybe that was the monster and that's where it stays and sleeps when it's not floating around scaring the bejeezus out of everybody. I really enjoyed this episode, but it seriously gave me the creeps. I loved the kid who played young Benry. He did an excellent job, IMO.
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Post by Pixi on May 10, 2007 9:19:56 GMT -5
What was that? I am beyond confused. I think I need one of those super Lost theorists to explain things to me.
So Jacob is a disembodied voice saying Help me? Huh? Or Ben has telekinetic powers? So Locke isn't really dead is he? Dharma was a bunch of harmony loving Hippies? The non-aging Richard is the leader of the Hostiles? Ben also has Daddy issues? (like every other person on the Island)
Hey- I've figured it out. It's Joss Whedons Home for characters with Daddy Issues Island. (Wesley, Giles, Buffy, Angel . . . .) Yes, you too can be a part of HateMyDaddy Island. Please submit a video application explaining why you hate your father and all the subsequent psychosis you have developed because of his treatment. Contestants will be picked on ability to look hot in a sweaty t-shirt, likeability factor (we reserve the right to kill you off without notice) and ability to have wild monkey sex with the islander of our choice.
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Post by Sara on May 10, 2007 9:59:50 GMT -5
What was that? I am beyond confused. I think I need one of those super Lost theorists to explain things to me. So Jacob is a disembodied voice saying Help me? Huh? Or Ben has telekinetic powers? So Locke isn't really dead is he? Dharma was a bunch of harmony loving Hippies? The non-aging Richard is the leader of the Hostiles? Ben also has Daddy issues? (like every other person on the Island) Hey- I've figured it out. It's Joss Whedons Home for characters with Daddy Issues Island. (Wesley, Giles, Buffy, Angel . . . .) Yes, you too can be a part of HateMyDaddy Island. Please submit a video application explaining why you hate your father and all the subsequent psychosis you have developed because of his treatment. Contestants will be picked on ability to look hot in a sweaty t-shirt, likeability factor (we reserve the right to kill you off without notice) and ability to have wild monkey sex with the islander of our choice.
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Post by Sara on May 10, 2007 10:07:31 GMT -5
Anyone else wandering how the guy that Henry met at 10 years old looked the same age as he does now? I mean come on the long hair gets cut, but that was what at least 25 or 30 years ago, if Henry is between 35 - 45 years old. So does that mean the "natives" dont age? or are they all dead? I am more confused now than I have ever been. Damn this show. The problem is it was a good episode. BUT. I. DONT. NEED. MORE. QUESTIONS. And oh by the way . WTF with the shooting of Locke. I really hope he is not dead. But then again just because your dead does not mean your off the show. He could live on the island and talk to Ben. I have a serious Hate/Love relationship with this show right now. I want to love it. But I am wanting to hate it just as much! I was wondering that as well. And imdb.com tells me Michael Emerson (Ben) is actually 12 years older than Nestor Carbonell (Richard).
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Post by Sara on May 10, 2007 10:33:55 GMT -5
So, here's what I've been wondering in regards to what we learned and the baby thing: 1. Is Ben somehow the reason women on the island can't carry to term? If the island does respond to people's desires, perhaps subconsciously Ben's unresolved issues over feeling he's the cause of his mother's death are affecting every pregnancy that takes place. After all, his dad made him feel like he was this thing, this intruder who took his wife away—and that's what's literally happening to the women: their body sees the fetus as foreign to them, rather than a part of them. 2. Perhaps the island is punishing Ben and the Others for slaughtering the Dharma people: they took all those lives, and now they're unable to create lives of their own. Oh, and for those of you playing the "he seemed really familiar" game at home, Horace, the man who stopped to help Roger, Emily and baby Ben and later got Ben's dad his job and place with the DI, was played by Doug Hutchison—he also portrayed the weaselly guard Percy in The Green Mile, but is probably better known to us scifi geeks as the extremely flexible, liver-loving Eugene Victor Tooms in two memorable episodes of The X-Files.
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Post by Sara on May 10, 2007 10:54:32 GMT -5
Little Benry, running away to the jungle, because daddy is an asshole. Combo to the fence and a bunny to test it. Awwww. Kill him, bunny! Kill him! The whispery voices . . . and then . . . WTF? Richard? Looking like he does now? WTHWTF? So, is he one of the "hostiles"? The "natives"? Or not? And why hasn't he aged one bit, eh? Benry tells him about seeing dead mommy and he don't seem surprised. Benry tells him he hates it "there" and wants to come with him and he don't seem surprised. "You're going to have to be very patient." "We're here." OK that place is just plain creepy. Creepy creepy creepy. Don't go in there! "Once I open the door, there's no turning back. You sure this is what you want?" "So be it." Drama queen. Empty chair. That isn't empty to Benry. So, he's crazier than a jailhouse rat, then. Well, it makes sense. "Help me." Eeep! And the place goes looney - it's the island monster!! So, Jacob is the island monster? And who said "help me"? If it wasn't Benry, with a changed voice and in the midst of a psychotic break, then was it Jacob? Which means, what? Dude! This entire episode is one giant OMGWTFBBQISLANDMONSTER?! ep. Picture of Jacob, allegedly, as he manifests to bounce Ben off a wall...Which means we got some wonderin' to do... Is it me, or does he look an awful lot like Locke?
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Post by Onjel on May 10, 2007 11:32:48 GMT -5
What was that? I am beyond confused. I think I need one of those super Lost theorists to explain things to me. So Jacob is a disembodied voice saying Help me? Huh? Or Ben has telekinetic powers? So Locke isn't really dead is he? Dharma was a bunch of harmony loving Hippies? The non-aging Richard is the leader of the Hostiles? Ben also has Daddy issues? (like every other person on the Island) Hey- I've figured it out. It's Joss Whedons Home for characters with Daddy Issues Island. (Wesley, Giles, Buffy, Angel . . . .) Yes, you too can be a part of HateMyDaddy Island. Please submit a video application explaining why you hate your father and all the subsequent psychosis you have developed because of his treatment. Contestants will be picked on ability to look hot in a sweaty t-shirt, likeability factor (we reserve the right to kill you off without notice) and ability to have wild monkey sex with the islander of our choice. Hee!
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Post by fish1941 on May 10, 2007 11:55:54 GMT -5
Hysterical! But true. But isn't it different for Claire and Charlie? Don't they have Mommy Issues?
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