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Post by jeff on May 11, 2007 15:46:33 GMT -5
I found a site that has some screen caps of Jacob. Here is the link. Go crazy. Oh there are a bunch of comments on there as well. Some are nuts but a few intrigued me. like this one. pat_boyle said... I think something important to consider is the relationship of the names. There is a lot of symbolism in the names of the characters that references other things. Things I don't see as coincidental. John Locke is the name of a philosopher who believed in Tabula Rasa, or clean slate, meaning people are born without innate ideas. Jean ROUSSEAU was another philosopher who believed in such things. John Locke also notably believed in the right to rebellion among citizens. Bibically, Benjamin is the son of Jacob. The biblical Ben was born on the side of the road, and his mother Rached died in childbirth (coincidence?!?! no). He was also the leader of a tribe that was split from The House of Joseph. Jacob, now, is considered a man who "dwelled in tents" (significant of his aversion to technology?). He was a second born twin, and a deceiver (just things to consider for later). Jacob, later in life, saw a vision known as Jacob's Ladder, which signified the exiles that the Jewish people would suffer befure the coming of the Messiah (The suffering of the hostiles in regards to the Dharma Initiative?). Now just to blow things COMPLETELY out of proportion, consider this. Jack is a nickname for Jacob. Jack's last name is Shepard, and Jesus, the Messiah, is known as a sheperd. Is Jack a messianic character, suffering with some struggle? We know he is struggling now and that in some upcoming episode he's gonna throw down (Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.) losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/11-frames-of-jacob.html
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Post by jeff on May 11, 2007 15:51:16 GMT -5
a bunch of people seem to think that Jacob is Locke. I don't think that is the case.
I do like the Idea that Jacob is trapped in a different time/dimension. And that he may be connected to John Locke (brother perhaps).
also with his hair and the fact that richard does not seem to age. Could these "original inhabitants be from the Black Rock? I saw this theory around as well. And he did seem to be dressed in older clothes when little Ben saw him.
There are also theory's that Jacob is A. Hanso. I don't buy that one though. It is really interesting to read a lot of these Ideas floating around though.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 11, 2007 16:29:31 GMT -5
I found a site that has some screen caps of Jacob. Here is the link. Go crazy. Oh there are a bunch of comments on there as well. Some are nuts but a few intrigued me. like this one. pat_boyle said... I think something important to consider is the relationship of the names. There is a lot of symbolism in the names of the characters that references other things. Things I don't see as coincidental. John Locke is the name of a philosopher who believed in Tabula Rasa, or clean slate, meaning people are born without innate ideas. Jean ROUSSEAU was another philosopher who believed in such things. John Locke also notably believed in the right to rebellion among citizens. Bibically, Benjamin is the son of Jacob. The biblical Ben was born on the side of the road, and his mother Rached died in childbirth (coincidence?!?! no). He was also the leader of a tribe that was split from The House of Joseph. Jacob, now, is considered a man who "dwelled in tents" (significant of his aversion to technology?). He was a second born twin, and a deceiver (just things to consider for later). Jacob, later in life, saw a vision known as Jacob's Ladder, which signified the exiles that the Jewish people would suffer befure the coming of the Messiah (The suffering of the hostiles in regards to the Dharma Initiative?). Now just to blow things COMPLETELY out of proportion, consider this. Jack is a nickname for Jacob. Jack's last name is Shepard, and Jesus, the Messiah, is known as a sheperd. Is Jack a messianic character, suffering with some struggle? We know he is struggling now and that in some upcoming episode he's gonna throw down (Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.) losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/11-frames-of-jacob.html Whoa! I didn't know that.Jake is the nickname for Jacob. Jack is the nickname for John BTW. (Which actually parallels Locke and Jack, but I assume this is obvious to everyone since it's never really discussed). Lots of stuff about Jacob in the bible. I've mainly been thinking of him as a patriarch.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 11, 2007 18:00:54 GMT -5
Another quick thought the DHARMA initiative compound in some ways made me think of Lusitania in Speaker For The Dead. Do you think that that main reason DHARMA is on the island is to study the Hostiles?
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Post by Lola m on May 11, 2007 21:40:09 GMT -5
So, maybe Jacob fell into a burning ring of fire? I wonder if he went down down down as the flames leapt higher? Kind of like on Angel and Buffy, you had to pour a circle with something to help contain the spirit or whatever you were conjuring. So Ben has Jacob held hostage inside the shack. Why? That's sort of what I was thinking, yes! Which would fit with the "help me" thing that Jacob said. If, you know, he was the one who said it.
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Post by Lola m on May 11, 2007 21:47:33 GMT -5
Part I Ben promises to tell everything. Deep sigh. Settle down for the ride. Wonder if you can believe anything Ben says. I'm now thinking, no. No we can trust absolutely nothing the guy says. Some of it will be true; some won't; some will be the cracked-out imagings of his that he thinks are true, but aren't; and some of it will the the truly cracked-out Island stuff that is true, but seems like it can't possibly be. And we'll never know which one is which!! I'm kicking myself that I didn't save the ep, 'cuz now I want to compare what we see here of the vids in their new, pristine condition to the broken patchy ones we saw in the hatches. My first thought was cameras at the fence . . . but then why didn't they catch them quicker when they came to the suburban Other village? It really was most excellent, wasn't it? ;D It's making me wonder if Mikhail was telling the truth when he said he was one of the few remaining Dharma people and he survived the attack by the "hostiles". So, they have been putting up with him but don't like him and were fine with seeing him get pummeled?
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Post by Lola m on May 11, 2007 21:50:55 GMT -5
Part III Ah, the dolls. That's real sweet. I bet Annie's going to die soon.So is Roger an alcoholic? Certainly being coded that way. Roger blames Ben for Emily's death! Evil! Born premature. So I guess Roger and Emily really were just innocently hiking. 7 months pregnant. I'm not sure if that's a bad idea or not. The whispers. Ooooh, the woman was his mother. duh. She speaks! Jack's dad didn't speak. It's not time yet. WTF? What's with the dirt? The Losties finally have a powwow and it's awesome. Squee! But it's Jack. That's not enough. Nobody knew Sun and Jin's last name? Sawyer plays the tape. Interestingly enough, he stops it before the "I hate you" part. Jack and Juliet return. The other side of the tape. So that was the message that was supposed to get back to Juliet, except Locke intercepted it, and it got back to Juliet anyway. So Juliet told Jack about The Others' plans. Jack was taking it upon himself to figure this out, without bringing any one else into it. What I don't understand that if Juliet told Jack and was trying to evade Ben's plans, why she left the report in the first place. He wouldn't have known unless Juliet told him, right? Couldn't she have just said, "I ran samples on all the women and none of them are pregnant?"I think we got some catching up to do. You don't say. on the red. Most excellent question, on the blue!!
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Post by Lola m on May 11, 2007 21:53:36 GMT -5
Man, that is the island of the damned. Poor Locke. How the hell did Benry get his gun? Hey, that's a good point! Must have been when their love shack was a-rockin'.
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Post by Lola m on May 11, 2007 21:55:41 GMT -5
OK: Ben's rabbit. Jacob being Ben's Harvey. The White Rabbit (episode title) from Alice in Wonderland. Watership down. Am I missing anything? The old fashioned way to find out if you were pregnant - "the rabbit died"?
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Post by Lola m on May 11, 2007 21:59:21 GMT -5
I found a site that has some screen caps of Jacob. Here is the link. Go crazy. Oh there are a bunch of comments on there as well. Some are nuts but a few intrigued me. like this one. pat_boyle said... I think something important to consider is the relationship of the names. There is a lot of symbolism in the names of the characters that references other things. Things I don't see as coincidental. John Locke is the name of a philosopher who believed in Tabula Rasa, or clean slate, meaning people are born without innate ideas. Jean ROUSSEAU was another philosopher who believed in such things. John Locke also notably believed in the right to rebellion among citizens. Bibically, Benjamin is the son of Jacob. The biblical Ben was born on the side of the road, and his mother Rached died in childbirth (coincidence?!?! no). He was also the leader of a tribe that was split from The House of Joseph. Jacob, now, is considered a man who "dwelled in tents" (significant of his aversion to technology?). He was a second born twin, and a deceiver (just things to consider for later). Jacob, later in life, saw a vision known as Jacob's Ladder, which signified the exiles that the Jewish people would suffer befure the coming of the Messiah (The suffering of the hostiles in regards to the Dharma Initiative?). Now just to blow things COMPLETELY out of proportion, consider this. Jack is a nickname for Jacob. Jack's last name is Shepard, and Jesus, the Messiah, is known as a sheperd. Is Jack a messianic character, suffering with some struggle? We know he is struggling now and that in some upcoming episode he's gonna throw down (Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.) losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/11-frames-of-jacob.htmlThanks so much for the link! The bit about Benjamin being the son of Jacob and that his mother died I think can't possibly be just a coincidence.
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Post by Matthew on May 11, 2007 23:15:03 GMT -5
Another quick thought the DHARMA initiative compound in some ways made me think of Lusitania in Speaker For The Dead. Do you think that that main reason DHARMA is on the island is to study the Hostiles? Oh, WOW!!!!! What a cool thought!!!!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 12, 2007 6:03:30 GMT -5
OK: Ben's rabbit. Jacob being Ben's Harvey. The White Rabbit (episode title) from Alice in Wonderland. Watership down. Am I missing anything? The old fashioned way to find out if you were pregnant - "the rabbit died"? Huh?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 13, 2007 7:38:40 GMT -5
Also, Jacob reminds me of Management in Carnivale.
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Post by Karen on May 13, 2007 11:17:46 GMT -5
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Post by Lola m on May 13, 2007 12:10:20 GMT -5
The old fashioned way to find out if you were pregnant - "the rabbit died"? Huh? Oh, I was just thinking of how you were looking for rabbit examples and putting that together with the theme of pregnancy they have going. So, then I thought, aha! Like all those old movies and shows when the doctor would say "the rabbit died". (Back when they had to kill the test rabbit to see the changes that would let you know if the woman was prenant or not. And then, they still used rabbits for a while when they could discover the changes without killing the rabbit.) OK, it's a stretch. But hey, rabbits! I don't even know when they stopped using rabbits, so I can't even take the idea further to think if the Dharma folks might have had rabbits there for that purpose. I assume for all sorts of lab experiments and so on, but who knows. Maybe they just liked bunnies.
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