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Post by Lola m on Apr 5, 2005 21:32:55 GMT -5
Interesting as always. Well Duncan's soccer uniform may have been in the dryer but I just can't see them naming him as the killer. Too easy an explanaion. I liked the sleezy detective but . . . . . . . I didn't have a lot invested in Koontz's daughter so I found myself not caring very much when she split. And Matthew - I too thought they telegraphed the boyfriend weak link too much. So tonight was basically the murder game (a drama exercise). Everyone got their chance to play the part of the murderer. I liked the Keith/VM interaction and his snarky comments to Weidman. I kept expecting Weidman to hit him when he was in the apt. I still have no idea who the actual murderer is. They have portrayed Celeste as the most despicable character so far but again, they could still be leading us around by our nose. I don't know - I think I need to let this all perculate overnight. The scene with Weidman and Keith in the apartment was very well done. I kept thinking it would turn violent at any moment, even while knowing that it would be very stupid of Clarence to do anything that rash, and he's not a stupid man.
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Post by Sue on Apr 5, 2005 21:37:04 GMT -5
So, I went to the UPN website and watched the intro of next week's episode. Pretty much just a trailer. No new murder info--just the set-up for the mystery of the week.
Still loving Logan and the interactions between Logan and Veronica. A bit of a stretch to think that Veronica would leave the room with her computer open on all the files. Nice little bonding over the ripped up check/I did it as a friend moment. Then later in the school lab---but I'm not very happy over the implication that epileptics can be randomly violent. Is that true?
I'm of the opinion that Mommy-dearest had perhaps just suggested to Duncan that he can't date Veronica because it's possible Jake fathered her and Duncan is completely aware (not in an epileptic fit) of the fact that he is attacking his father.
I'd say even if Duncan didn't do it (and I'm not on that bandwagon) it's seems like at least Jake thinks Duncan did it and the cover-up is all about protecting Duncan. He could easily have gotten blood on his uniform when he discovered the body and rushed to hold his sister.
So either Celeste is in on the coverup to protect Duncan as well or she did it and it suits her purposes to let both Duncan and Jake believe Duncan did it.
Hmm... At this point I might be disappointed to bring in some unknown killer out of the blue, but since I bet on Celeste ages ago I might also be disappointed by the obviousness of that solution.
But I don't want it to be Logan in a jealous fit. (Cause I like the actor so much). Possibly Weevil, cause he's been introduced but we haven't bonded as much with him---but I hope it's not him either.
Argh.
And I really liked the attitude of the Hamilton Cho. Something about the way he took his knocks resonated with me at the moment!
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Post by Becky H on Apr 5, 2005 21:37:19 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly - I want both soft and conflicted Logan. And still - really wasn't enough of him tonight. And I agree about Keith/VM talking. And I was also sitting there thinking - um - going to tell Dad about Mom VM? I don't think its a Kane either. But if not - who does that leave? I mean really who is left. They can't have someone come out of left field to be the killer. Lianne? I hope it's not Lianne - that would be just one too many crosses for Veronica to bear. I guess I do expect that it will turn out to be a Kane but I think tonight's episode did a good job of muddying the waters. And yes, we need more Jason Dohring!
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Post by Pixi on Apr 5, 2005 21:38:41 GMT -5
You know, he's just so horribly sleazy, and yet when he was singing "Private Eye" and smacking his own ass out the window, I almost was fond of him because it was just so dorky. Almost. I liked him. His Mom was his secretary and he had a fake Tom Selleck mustached and okay - I loved the smacking his butt song. Hee, Hee. Course I just came from drama class where I acted out all kinds of weird characters and I appreciate the dork.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 5, 2005 21:39:09 GMT -5
Hi Lola - Did they give us any new clues? It just felt like the possible murder two-step to me. Oh and loved the congratulatory 1000 post. I just saw it - I had already left for my class by the time you posted. Just gorgeous. I did love the put your pants back on and get a job. Hee. Sleezy perverts beware around Veronica. I think I need to let it all percolate in my brain before I can completely tell if we got any new info - other than Duncan's uniform. We got confirmation or more detail about some of the old info, but not much that seemed truly new. It felt more like an ep where all the facts as we know them were presented again to be organized and re-reviewed by Veronica (and us). Which is about right with the amount of time and eps we have left. I also have to think about Veronica's "case of the week" and see how it parallels or comments on the Lily case. We had a parent doing something wrong in an effort to help his child - and the child not knowing, but then forgiving the parent. So, does that put more weight toward the idea of it being Duncan and his folks were covering for him? Or is it another red herring? Or did the COTW have a different spin that I'm not thinking of? Lola And you're welcome.
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Post by Becky H on Apr 5, 2005 21:41:16 GMT -5
And I really liked the attitude of the Hamilton Cho. Something about the way he took his knocks resonated with me at the moment! I really liked this kid, too. One of the things I appreciate most about this show is how even the incidental players aren't cardboard. We might never see Hamilton again but he exists in three dimensions. Did anyone else wonder if Jake Kane will pony up for two scholarships if there is a tie in GPAs? That's it for me tonight. I'll be interested to see your speculations tomorrow. Bonne nuit!
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Post by Lola m on Apr 5, 2005 21:41:49 GMT -5
Interesting episode. I can't help but wonder if they laid out the different murder scenarios to summarize the guessing thus far in one spectacular red herring. As in, maybe it wasn't a Kane. Random thoughts: Where was Wallace? I loved the scene between Logan and Veronica but I don't want Logan to completely lose his edge - he's been awfully vulnerable lately. I also loved that Keith and Veronica finally talked to each other! Not all of the secrets are out (do you know where your wife is, Keith?) but how refreshing to actually share information. Is it just me or does anyone else remember super cheap Weidemann's beer? Clarence Weidemann"s (sp?) name just doesn't strike the expected fear into me. I've been wondering if the heavy push toward one of the family (and then the imaginary!ghost!Lily scene) are telling us to look outside the suspects that Veronica was reviewing this week. Remember, she told Logan that she had files on everyone. Lola **snerking about Clarence**
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Post by Sue on Apr 5, 2005 21:42:26 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly - I want both soft and conflicted Logan. And still - really wasn't enough of him tonight. And I agree about Keith/VM talking. And I was also sitting there thinking - um - going to tell Dad about Mom VM? I don't think its a Kane either. But if not - who does that leave? I mean really who is left. They can't have someone come out of left field to be the killer. Lianne? Okay, I could get with it being Lianne. (Since I don't like her much more than Celeste.) Boy, wouldn't that devastate Veronica? But it would leave Keith free to date next year and perhaps give Logan and Veronica another point in common. Interesting: Veronica---decent Dad, drunken mom Duncan---dad might be decent, just over-protective; jealous mom Logan--abusive Dad, weak mom Weevil--only know of grandma Wallace--no sign of dad, good mom
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Post by Pixi on Apr 5, 2005 21:43:21 GMT -5
So, I went to the UPN website and watched the intro of next week's episode. Pretty much just a trailer. No new murder info--just the set-up for the mystery of the week. Still loving Logan and the interactions between Logan and Veronica. A bit of a stretch to think that Veronica would leave the room with her computer open on all the files. Nice little bonding over the ripped up check/I did it as a friend moment. Then later in the school lab---but I'm not very happy over the implication that epileptics can be randomly violent. Is that true? I'm of the opinion that Mommy-dearest had perhaps just suggested to Duncan that he can't date Veronica because it's possible Jake fathered her and Duncan is completely aware (not in an epileptic fit) of the fact that he is attacking his father. I'd say even if Duncan didn't do it (and I'm not on that bandwagon) it's seems like at least Jake thinks Duncan did it and the cover-up is all about protecting Duncan. He could easily have gotten blood on his uniform when he discovered the body and rushed to hold his sister. So either Celeste is in on the coverup to protect Duncan as well or she did it and it suits her purposes to let both Duncan and Jake believe Duncan did it. Hmm... At this point I might be disappointed to bring in some unknown killer out of the blue, but since I bet on Celeste ages ago I might also be disappointed by the obviousness of that solution. But I don't want it to be Logan in a jealous fit. (Cause I like the actor so much). Possibly Weevil, cause he's been introduced but we haven't bonded as much with him---but I hope it's not him either. Argh. And I really liked the attitude of the Hamilton Cho. Something about the way he took his knocks resonated with me at the moment! Sue - eatah on everything you wrote. I think the Kane scenario is exactly like you said. They might have it be one of the parents but its just not going to be Duncan. The blood got there when he found Lilly. Classic was of getting smeared with the victim's blood. And the parents are all definetly part of this coverup, although it could still be Celeste. Simply as I said because they have made her character the most despicable. I loved Logan tonight and I really liked Cho's character too. Initially it seemed like they might be portraying him as a stock rich kid character but I loved his final scene. It's not going to be Logan - didn't she say his alibi checked out with two eyewitnesses. I think tonight it was take Logan off the list night. And they aren't going to have him be the murderer - his popularity has soared and Rob Thomas is fully aware of that.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 5, 2005 21:45:27 GMT -5
I really liked this kid, too. One of the things I appreciate most about this show is how even the incidental players aren't cardboard. We might never see Hamilton again but he exists in three dimensions. Did anyone else wonder if Jake Kane will pony up for two scholarships if there is a tie in GPAs? That's it for me tonight. I'll be interested to see your speculations tomorrow. Bonne nuit! **nod nod nodding with you and Sue about Hamilton Cho**
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Post by Pixi on Apr 5, 2005 21:46:59 GMT -5
Okay, I could get with it being Lianne. (Since I don't like her much more than Celeste.) Boy, wouldn't that devastate Veronica? But it would leave Keith free to date next year and perhaps give Logan and Veronica another point in common. Interesting: Veronica---decent Dad, drunken mom Duncan---dad might be decent, just over-protective; jealous mom Logan--abusive Dad, weak mom Weevil--only know of grandma Wallace--no sign of dad, good mom I have to admit at this point I'm wavering between Celeste and Lianne. And they might bring in mitigating factors like the drinking, the possible incest, accident, Jake helping coverup for Lianne because of his feelings for her. I don't know. I think we are going to get some twists because this is teen noir and I think that's the way Rob Thomas' brain works.
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Post by Pixi on Apr 5, 2005 21:49:53 GMT -5
I've been wondering if the heavy push toward one of the family (and then the imaginary!ghost!Lily scene) are telling us to look outside the suspects that Veronica was reviewing this week. Remember, she told Logan that she had files on everyone. Lola **snerking about Clarence** See that's what I got out of that scene. So if it's not a Kane, and it's not Logan - who does that leave us? And if it is Lianne - I do think that will up Veronica's angst factor. And are they ever going to deal with the date rape or is that part of next year. No, in that interview Rob Thomas said we would find that out this year too. So . . . will that factor in somehow? I really don't see how myself. Seems a complete separate thing - will it be the mystery of the week?
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Post by Pixi on Apr 5, 2005 21:52:31 GMT -5
I I also have to think about Veronica's "case of the week" and see how it parallels or comments on the Lily case. We had a parent doing something wrong in an effort to help his child - and the child not knowing, but then forgiving the parent. So, does that put more weight toward the idea of it being Duncan and his folks were covering for him? Or is it another red herring? Or did the COTW have a different spin that I'm not thinking of? Lola And you're welcome. So was this related to the Kane family or Veronica's family? They certainly won't have Keith do something wrong - at least I wouldn't think so. But maybe he resigned his job because he did know Lianne did it and maybe that's why he has never wanted to find her. And, like you say, it could all be a red herring. Okay - I better stop my stream of consciousness posting - ack I've been infected by Matthew. Night Scub'ies.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 5, 2005 21:55:17 GMT -5
See that's what I got out of that scene. So if it's not a Kane, and it's not Logan - who does that leave us? And if it is Lianne - I do think that will up Veronica's angst factor. And are they ever going to deal with the date rape or is that part of next year. No, in that interview Rob Thomas said we would find that out this year too. So . . . will that factor in somehow? I really don't see how myself. Seems a complete separate thing - will it be the mystery of the week? I somehow don't think the rape and the murder will be linked, at least not directly. Perhaps as commentary on each other. And I have no real reason to believe that, it's just a feeling. I could put together a plausible scenario where Lianne was guilty, but at the same time I have my doubts. If only because of the potential alibi-ing with her and Jake. Lola And now, I must to bed!
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Apr 5, 2005 22:01:10 GMT -5
Before reading what anyone else has said....this was a really good episode in my opinion - lots of things were addressed, if not totally solved - Keith and Veronica started to talk truth to each other (mom however still being ignored), Logan and Veronica continue to bond, I loved the cheesy PI subplot, and there was shirtless Weevil (not that that matters cause he's just a child of course). So it looks like Duncan did it? I don't believe it for a second! Logan isn't stupid. He's known Duncan forever and never knew about his illness? Makes me think the illness is just medication to keep him quiet. I think the attack on his father was just anger for something horrible Kane did. And of course I have my ideas about what that was.
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