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Post by Dalton on Aug 3, 2003 11:32:42 GMT -5
Nope. They must all be working. I'm headed out to an evening meeting, I'll catch up with you all tomorrow.
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Post by Dalton on Aug 3, 2003 11:33:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I can't specifically remember which interview that came from, but it included Nick Brendon and Marti Noxon, I think. I'll try to find it.
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Post by Dalton on Aug 3, 2003 11:34:07 GMT -5
Well, I've been waiting to post this thinking that Part Fifteen would start up any moment and leave my question dangling, but I'm tired of waiting and I don't want to forget it so... if that happens I suppose I'll just move my poat.
Ready Randy? Ready Joan.
How many vamps that come from the Master's bloodline have we seen on both shows?
Master -> Darla -> Angelus -> Druscilla -> Spike.
There was the serial killer vamp sired by Angel in Somnambulist.
Luke (Welcome to the Hellmouth) was sired by the Master I believe. And Jesse may have been sired by him (The Harvest).
Ford in Lie to Me? Although I never thought Spike or Druscilla would do it - but others might. And I could buy that Spike did it as a vampire of his wicked word...
Any other important people in this line that I'm forgetting? The vamp with the glasses?
I've been thinking about vampire lineage being an alegory for aristocratic lineage (briefly flirting with the idea anyway). The idea of a blessed (or damned) succession intrigues me, especially as regards what this special lineage would mean for those who are a part of it. Aside from when Spike was the trigger, I don't see any of these vamps being indiscriminate about who they "procreate" with. This leads me to believe that this lineage has more power than normal in its bloody siring process.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Dalton on Aug 3, 2003 11:34:46 GMT -5
Hi Michelle, welcome a-board! (We always love to see lurkers posting.)
You are right. I recommend you repost this at the beginning of part 15, we always need a good post to get a part going and this one should certainly generate discussion.
As for the lineage, I'm not particularly the right person to ask, I have not yet seen all the episodes, but my guess is that yes Holden would apply.
I agree that these vampires appear to be much more "advanced" and intelligent than your average vamp, but how much of this is "nature over nurture" it is hard to say. I would say that in general these vamps feel a need to nurture their progeny. Darla, Angelus, and Dru all took in their progeny and "raised" them in the vampric ways remaining with them for extended periods of time (we are talking centuries here.) Perhaps this is the key difference between these undead members of society and the so-called "rats" who remain perpetually in game-face.
There is also something to be said for the "bloodline." Holden, fresh out of the grave, had a certain self-awareness others seem to lack.
Yes, there is definitly something to discuss here.
What do the rest of you think?
Watergal
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Post by Dalton on Aug 3, 2003 11:35:46 GMT -5
I forgive you. It was a mistake made late at night when I tried ploughing through all the emails after being gone for a day and a half, and I discovered all the entreaties to move. My sluggish brain looked at the URL for awhile, couldn't think why I kept looking at it with vague discomfort, figured it was okay, and sent it.
Maybe after another 10 parts I'll get it right and my mismanaged link will be a thing of the past. I live in hope.
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Post by Dalton on Aug 3, 2003 11:36:21 GMT -5
Part Fifteen is up and running. Never the same mistake twice. That's me! See you there.
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Post by Dalton on Aug 3, 2003 11:37:41 GMT -5
Ok....this blows. Well, not the post. The FX schedule...plus I have some stuff that you'll argue with me about. Which is cool.
FX has no Buffy tonight. I could not wait to watch Seeing Red, my favorite episode of Season 6 that isn't a season finale or "special," a la OMWF.
It's a true ensemble piece, with every actor getting remarkable things to do. I give particular credit to James, Nick and Sarah. Their work in this episode positively rocks. God, why don't they give Buffy and Xander more stuff together?
Ok, that came off more Xander-centric than I intended it to. Let me put it in a different way. Certain actors tend to bring out the best in each other when they're given great material to work with. On BTVS, they (and we) are incredibly lucky to have four actors who can elevate whatever scene they're in, no matter who's in it with them.
Some examples of the four lead players bringing others to new heights:
1. James Marsters in Entropy. The Magic Box one-timer scene is the best Emma Caulfield has ever been, with the possible exception of The Body. His presence brings out depths in Anya's character that we hadn't seen.
2. Sarah, of course. I can't begin to count the number of times Sarah has carried scenes, but Marc Blucas as Riley comes to mind immediately. She was saddled with making the rebound guy interesting. Amazingly, she pulled it off more often than not with her luminous presence.
As I sit here now, I shake my head remembering my feelings after Into The Woods. After a really well played scene in the training room (credit where it's due: Blucas is pretty good here) I watched Buffy chasing the departing helicopter, ultimately failing....and I felt BAD about it. Amazing. I wanted Riley out of there so bad I could taste it, but Sarah has a way of touching me. Just so good.
3. Nick Brendon raises Michelle Trachtenberg's game a notch in Potential in their phenomenal closing scene. He's magical in Into The Woods as well as he declares his love for Anya as Riley goes off to Belize to meet that strange wife of his.
4. Alyson Hannigan can get a ton out of anyone blessed to be in a scene with her. The primary reason I grew to love Tara was the way Willow reacted to her. If Willow loves her this much, she MUST be something special. Looking back on it I realize it was all about how Alyson played it.
At one time or another all four had to carry Boreanaz in the early years before he went to LA. I think he's been much better there, but in Sunnydale he was a ball and chain in terms of his emotional range. Sarah should've got multiple Emmys for supporting HIM in all those angsty scenes.
Now, when you put these four actors together in intense, well written scenes, things really start to fly. They raise each other's games. The tail end of season 6 pays off brilliantly. I have a lot more on this but this post is infernally long already. More to come on this topic, because I'm Buffy-less tonight at 8 because of the NBA.
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