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Post by raenstorm on Oct 4, 2005 18:27:45 GMT -5
Lefty: Is the SUV you're talking about the one in this screen cap? Because that looks silver to me (or, at least, certainly not the bright yellow of Logan's XTerra - compare to the circle I drew around it) and I'm just not having any luck seeing a yellow SUV anywhere in those shots when I rewatch. I don't know if I'm just missing it or what. I have to admit I have a hard time believing Logan was done with Kendall in enough time to have driven out to the field trip location to be at the gas station at the same time as the bus. Yes, that would be the one. Looked more yellow on my screen so maybe it isn't (isn't supposed to be) Logan's SUV. But the placment and movement (it backs up from behind V as she is walking) caught my eye. If it isn't a clue, then it proves V wrong: some things ARE accidental in Neptune. Thanks for checking the screencaps. Oh, it may turn out to be important - because it did move just as Veronica did and I'd think they'd have that whole block closed off for the filming (assuming it was a real gas station and not just a set). I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't missing another SUV. I actually think, given the placement of the SUV, it couldn't have been Logan's anyway because surely Veronica would have immediately noticed it skulking there in her direct line of sight.
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Post by Dev(Rob) on Oct 4, 2005 21:52:30 GMT -5
If last year's theme focused on family does this year's theme focus on corruption? I think it will play a strong part.
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Post by Dev(Rob) on Oct 4, 2005 21:53:16 GMT -5
If it isn't a clue, then it proves V wrong: some things ARE accidental in Neptune. If your refering to the bus crash then it could have been someone else. Some things are accidental yes but that bus crash is suspect imo.
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Post by Sue on Oct 5, 2005 16:08:47 GMT -5
For those of you who don't follow along on the main thread: my review has finally been sent off to Vlad.
Sincere apologies for the delay. I didn't get it completed on Thursday and then left town Friday (to go to S'cubiefest II in Chicago and watch Serenity with 22 other S'cubies! ;D
Only returned home yesterday.
Hopefully, that kind of delay will never happen again. When I know I'm going to be tied up I usually recruit a guest reviewer. I just didn't want to give up the season premiere.
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Post by leftylady on Oct 5, 2005 17:16:32 GMT -5
If it isn't a clue, then it proves V wrong: some things ARE accidental in Neptune. If your refering to the bus crash then it could have been someone else. Some things are accidental yes but that bus crash is suspect imo. Actually, I was just parroting Veronica's take on the bus crash to apply to the SUV at the Veronica / Weevil convo. Even if it isn't Logan's yellow SUV as I originally thought, the positioning, movement and timing the the movement just drew my attention so that I suspect this will eventually turn out to be a clue to the mystery arc. If it was only carelessness or directory's obliviousness to background objects during a shoot, then yes, "some things ARE accidental in Neptune". And I very much agree with you that the bus crash was no way an accident.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 5, 2005 17:52:26 GMT -5
Well, I agree with them while also loving my woobie Logan, so I guess I get to play in all the corners. ;D I'd like to see Veronica and Logan get back together eventually, but I can also live with them not being together, as long as they each eventually find happiness. 'Cuz they both really need it. Ditto. I'd be stunned if Pixi is "Logan's only cheerleader." I'm all for eventual LoVe. But agree (at least in my brain if not in my heart) that both of them have a lot of issues to work thru first. And maybe they could work them out while together but Veronica made a different choice (and, of course, we all understand why the writers chose that choice). Speculating here---I'm pretty sure we'll see Veronica taking Logan's side down the line when/if accusations come back to haunt him. But then she'll have to repair fences with him big time (I don't think he'll just open himself back up to hurt from her immediately); then she'll find out about CC (probably from CC herself) and they'll have to deal with that AND they'll have to deal eventually with Keith's hostility. Months, if not YEARs of material ahead of us. And, I really should be channeling my thoughts and energy into writing. I so just want to respond to everyone else's comments, though, so I'm going away for now. Oh, definitely! They've each got so many things to work through in their own lives, not to mention the actual between them relationship issues!
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Post by Lola m on Oct 5, 2005 17:53:31 GMT -5
Ditto. I'd be stunned if Pixi is "Logan's only cheerleader." I'm all for eventual LoVe. But agree (at least in my brain if not in my heart) that both of them have a lot of issues to work thru first. And maybe they could work them out while together but Veronica made a different choice (and, of course, we all understand why the writers chose that choice). Speculating here---I'm pretty sure we'll see Veronica taking Logan's side down the line when/if accusations come back to haunt him. But then she'll have to repair fences with him big time (I don't think he'll just open himself back up to hurt from her immediately); then she'll find out about CC (probably from CC herself) and they'll have to deal with that AND they'll have to deal eventually with Keith's hostility. Months, if not YEARs of material ahead of us. And, I really should be channeling my thoughts and energy into writing. I so just want to respond to everyone else's comments, though, so I'm going away for now. I'm with you. Logan and Veronica have a lot of issues, each and together, that they need to work through. So, for that matter, does Duncan. I have to keep reminding myself that they're still children in some ways, which does influence the decisions they make. Logan isn't thinking clearly, or why would he have picked a fight with Weevil and company anyway? Who knows, maybe Logan and Duncan will walk off into the fog together. This could be the start of a beautiful friendship... Anne, Keith Mars hot ;D Mmmmmm. Keith Mars very hot.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 5, 2005 17:58:02 GMT -5
"Nothing that happens in Neptune is a coincidence." CC's character name is Kendall Casablancas. Kendall was SMG's character name on All My Children when she played Susan Lucci's daughter. A stretch? See quote at top. ;D Yup. Kendall Hart. Definitely not a coincidence!! ;D
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Post by Lola m on Oct 5, 2005 18:00:46 GMT -5
I'd like to see them both be a little stronger and independent first, though. I think the PodVeronica was intentional...<b>I think she's way more damaged by the events of the past 2 years than even she knows.</b> So she goes for "safety" and "the known" with Duncan. And Logan has to get to the point where he is held up (morally or sanity-wise) only by the efforts of someone else. He needs a lot, and I don't think Veronica has it to give at this point.Oh, yes. And especially on the Veronica part. I would have been quite disappointed if that girl who went through one thing after another in that finale just snapped back to what she was before so quickly and easily. Both VM and Lg are damaged, but the difference is, she can push what she went through to the back of her mind alot easier than Lg. Lg might try to forget about it, but his life just won't let him. He is constantly reminded that everyone around him is gone. **nods** And Veronica has her dad and Wallace to depend on and talk with. Logan just has Dick and Beaver. Not exactly the best choices. Sure, they'll "have your back" when it comes to doing stupid revenge stunts. But other than that . . .
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Post by Lola m on Oct 5, 2005 18:02:04 GMT -5
Speculating here---I'm pretty sure we'll see Veronica taking Logan's side down the line when/if accusations come back to haunt him. But then she'll have to repair fences with him big time (I don't think he'll just open himself back up to hurt from her immediately); then she'll find out about CC (probably from CC herself) and they'll have to deal with that AND they'll have to deal eventually with Keith's hostility. Months, if not YEARs of material ahead of us. Which is exactly what we needed if they intend on propelling the Lg/VM thing for the length of the show. I reaffirm my belief that we got so much shippiness and happiness in MAD just to show us what it would be like, but they'll take forever to get back there. Which as a viewer, I say, 'Fun!' Yea, I was not a happpy camper with happy Logan. It was a nice little, 'hey look, the guy can be happy' but the guy is so much more interesting when he's all complex and stuff. And we've got enough complexity in this character now keep us happy for years! Happy!Logan definitely not as much fun as angsty!Logan. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Oct 5, 2005 18:02:24 GMT -5
I'd like to see them both be a little stronger and independent first, though. I think the PodVeronica was intentional...<b>I think she's way more damaged by the events of the past 2 years than even she knows.</b> So she goes for "safety" and "the known" with Duncan. And Logan has to get to the point where he is held up (morally or sanity-wise) only by the efforts of someone else. He needs a lot, and I don't think Veronica has it to give at this point.Oh, yes. And especially on the Veronica part. I would have been quite disappointed if that girl who went through one thing after another in that finale just snapped back to what she was before so quickly and easily. Both VM and Lg are damaged, but the difference is, she can push what she went through to the back of her mind alot easier than Lg. Lg might try to forget about it, but his life just won't let him. He is constantly reminded that everyone around him is gone. Yes, not only is she good at compartmentalizing what's painful...but she's got Keith and Wallace as support. Logan? Has no one. Mom: dead. Dad: Even when not in prison, still horrifyingly bad. Since Duncan and he are on the outs, his only "support" (note the sarcastic quotes) are the Casablancas. No wonder he's flailing and looking at Veronica as his only salvation. And no one Veronica freaked; that is a scary position to be in... Brainshare!
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Post by Lola m on Oct 5, 2005 18:06:37 GMT -5
Gladness. But...I totally support Logan. I love the character and think the depths and heights that they show of him are fascinating. I would like to see him with Veronica at some point. I'd like to see them both be a little stronger and independent first, though. I think the PodVeronica was intentional...I think she's way more damaged by the events of the past 2 years than even she knows. So she goes for "safety" and "the known" with Duncan. And Logan has to get to the point where he is held up (morally or sanity-wise) only by the efforts of someone else. He needs a lot, and I don't think Veronica has it to give at this point. As for Kendall...definitely some mommy issues going on there. That would be a good thing NOT to bring in to a future relationship with Veronica. I loved last night's episode...I'm fascinated by the potential directions this can go in. With Rob Thomas, I'm not at the "Trust in Joss" stage yet, but I do think he has a plan and that it will be a hell of a ride. I loved the ep too. It all made perfect sense for our characters, after everything they have been through. Veronica trying to find normalcy - and eschew the high drama of the past. Logan - out of control. Of course he would be - what 17 year old boy with no parents, who has been what he has been through, and who has had the role models he's had, and who has been abused as he has, with the access to money and time that he has - wouldn't be? I loved the Mrs Robinson thing with Charisma. That he would be turning to a "just for sex" thing makes sense, as does the underlying "looking for a mom-figure" thing. I loved KEITH and the way he talked about ALICIA. I love those two together. Overall, I just liked the ep very much. I liked Leo in it as well. So happy about Keith and Alicia! Of course, you know that V's mom is gonna come back into the picture and complicate things at some point, but I was so glad to see Keith able to make the right choice for him (and Veronica) and V able to understand and support him.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 5, 2005 18:08:31 GMT -5
Wanted to share this about the spy pen in last season. This is from an email from Rob Thomas: "It was simply going to be an obsessive, stalker-ish letter with some implied threat that would've made Weevil the likely suspect in Lilly's murder. He never actually carried out these threats, but there would've been something in the vein of "bashing your head in," that would've really stood out." interesting. why didn't he follow through on this? Very interesting? Perhaps it was too direct a red herring? Or perhaps he didn't like the way it would influence the direction he plans for the future of Weevil's character?
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Post by Lola m on Oct 5, 2005 18:18:20 GMT -5
Good opening to the season! VERNOICA IS BACK BABY. They explained what happened. The dude I like got stabbed!? what!!! Whole new cast in the opening. Two of the guys from a few episodes of last season and a whole new chick. (Ryan Hansen, Kyle Gallner and Tessa Thompson) THIS SEASON WILL ROCK. Oh and I told you it would be Logan at the door! and infact I remember saying the cop would show up as well hehe. You had confidence, eh? ;D Somehow I knew that you were gonna like that scene. It's a topsy turvey world! The ending was . . . well, just a very OMG moment.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 5, 2005 18:19:40 GMT -5
Good opening to the season! VERNOICA IS BACK BABY. They explained what happened. The dude I like got stabbed!? what!!! Whole new cast in the opening. Two of the guys from a few episodes of last season and a whole new chick. (Ryan Hansen, Kyle Gallner and Tessa Thompson) THIS SEASON WILL ROCK. Oh and I told you it would be Logan at the door! and infact I remember saying the cop would show up as well hehe. Charisma in the 'guest staring' YEAH BABY. Oh my god, Charisma--- SEMI NUDE?! lol Logan did the shocker sign, so rude. What time's this programme on again? NAUGHTY RUDE GESTURES. Veronica is with Duncan? NOOOOOO lol Logan is nailing Charisma! So are Dick and Beever like brothers then? Because Beev looks younger, and last season in the episode where Veronica was doing the whole flashback of the night she got spiked it looked like they were just friends. CONFUSED. lol 'hello friend' More Lilly? well we all new that storyline had to come back at some point. OH MY GOD MAJOR BUS CRASH. p.s. No spoilers please, DevCharisma did look fantastic. I thought it was interesting that Logan should be involving himself in an "older woman" relationship, after what happened with Aaron & Lilly. Though it makes perfect sense - he's a horny teen who has lost his girlfriend, AND he's a child who has lost his mother. Hello, Kendall Casablancas!! I am guessing that Logan is eventually going to get the snot beat out of him by Mr Casablancas, but it makes sense for him to put himself in that kind of position also . . . I mean, in danger of being beaten by "dad." Ooooh, I hadn't thought about it that way . . . **nods**
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