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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:05:20 GMT -5
//I fear you are right- they probably won't interview JM - and it is unfortunate b/c he has always had some fairly fascinating things to say on the subject of women's passion for Spike/himself/badboys in general-.// I've never heard JM's views on this. Can someone enlighten me?
Betsy Lusby
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:06:03 GMT -5
Ellie said: he(JM) is by far one of the most interesting actors in terms of talking about his craft and his latest role- So true...did you read my convention report? He was mesmerizing talking about acting...ok, he was mesmerizing just standing there.
Patti T.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:06:25 GMT -5
Ok, we need to keep this timeline and put it on the site somewhere, because this is one of those frequently asked questions...I'm going to capture it.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:07:34 GMT -5
//William was such a "nancy boy", but as a vamp - "big and bad" (his own words". How much of that is the demon in him and how much is it the William in him so wanting to be so opposite of what he was. Same for Angelus -- While Liam certainly wasn't a choirboy, I don't think he was so inherently evil like Angelus was. So what made him that was when he was turned? // My take on this is that the demon that takes over the body of the newly turned vampire is apparently a young demon, and so it uses the past memories of the person who once occupied the body as a sort of template for who they become. When Willow's a little shocked to find out that her vampire self is bisexual ("Doppelgangland"), Buffy tries to assure her that her vampire self has nothing to do with her, but Angel disagrees. And as we have seen, Willow's vampire self in many ways predicts the person that Willow eventually evolves into. That doesn't mean that a vampire is resigned to becoming exactly the person that was. It does seem that the demon is capable of picking and choosing which elements of a person they wish to enhance or downplay, but they're still limited to the canvas presented by the former host of the body. Liam was already a somewhat lackluster individual -- Angelus just enhanced his nature. William, on the other hand, really didn't like who he was, so the demon completely did a 180 when creating Spike. Jesse as well became the person he always wished he was. The Gorch Brothers apparently were evil enough, so as vampires they just continued on smartly, as did Zachary Kralik. All still within the limitations of the canvas left behind by the former host. As for types of vampires, I believe we've seen three so far on the show. There's the standard Buffyverse vampire, which 90 percent of the vampires on Buffy and Angel belong to. Game face vampires. The second is the Turok-Han, aka, the ubervamp. They don't go into game face -- they're always that way. (and no, the Turok-Han is not a pure form of the Buffyverse vampire -- that was shown during the Pylean mini-arc on AtS, whenever Angel vamped out). Vampire #3 is Dracula and his brood. Fangs always exposed, never going into game face. Decidely different from the other vampires in the Buffyverse.
David Crenshaw
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:08:11 GMT -5
Good idea, Patti. We'll have so much junk loaded up, we'll ride low in the water when we lift anchor and set sail... NOT that the Angel timeline is junk! Implication NOT intended! Nan
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:08:48 GMT -5
Betsy asked "Can someone enlighten me on JM's views on women's fascination with vamps, bad boys, etc. (paraphrase) He's said too much to quote here, but I refer you to this website, a great source of JM interviews and other goodies. www.secretloft.com/lostsoul/enter.htmPatti T.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:09:19 GMT -5
David said: Vampire #3 is Dracula and his brood. Fangs always exposed, never going into game face. Decidely different from the other vampires in the Buffyverse. Spike said Dracula just had a lot of cheap gypsy tricks. I loved that explanation.
Patti T.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:10:05 GMT -5
//Spike said Dracula just had a lot of cheap gypsy tricks. I loved that explanation. // I'm sure that's very much the case, at least regarding Drac's ability to do magic and fly and stuff. But it doesn't account for why Dracula fed without going into game face, the way all the other vampires do (not including the Turok-Han). Of course, this might also have been Joss' way of not countering the popular Dracula mythology that Dracula became a vampire when he sold his soul to the devil. According to Welcome to the Hellmouth, the first vampire was created when the last demon fed on a human and mingled their blood, and then that human-demon-hybrid fed, etc. Dracula has a different mythology, and by having there be subtle differences between him and the other vampires, ME left a door open for both mythologies to co-exist.
David Crenshaw
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:10:35 GMT -5
Most of today I wandered around in the belief it was Friday. If I go to sleep, all day tomorrow, I'll be RIGHT! G'night, childer. Nan
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:11:04 GMT -5
//Most of today I wandered around in the belief it was Friday. If I go to sleep, all day tomorrow, I'll be RIGHT!// Nan -- it is Friday, here in Maryland.
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:11:33 GMT -5
I think I figured out what you meant, but I must admit I hadn't heard that before. Please educate me on this...assuming you didn't make that up for my amusement. I do intend to keep writing; if at all possible Chapter 11 will be crossing Vlad's desk (or would that be his coffin?) by tomorrow evening.
Rob Sorenson
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:12:17 GMT -5
David ||And here's one -- why is it that some vampires seem capable of returning in a matter of a few hours, while others are dead and burried for days before they come back?|| I think someone posted a while back that s/he assumed it just was different because people age/mature/etc differntly as well. From what I've seen, it depends where the fledgling vampire will fit in the vampire heirarchy. Low-class minions return the fastest ('Helpless') while vampires of the line of Aurelius take longer ('LMPTM'.)
Diane U
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:12:41 GMT -5
Nan said: G'night, childer. Patti said: GRRR....ARGGGH!
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:13:44 GMT -5
JM on Spike's feelings about Angel //Angel: "I hate Angel. I don't want him within 15 miles of Dru. I would like him to go to Hell and stay there. Angel trained Spike. Spike is only 120 years old. Angel is a lot older. The relationship between Angel and Spike is very complex. There is a part of Spike that would like to just go hang out with Angel again. Angel was like his dad. So he misses that but, at the same time, Angel's playing with Dru, so Spike wants to smack him."//
from that nifty site patti #412 mentioned- thanky you patti-! ellie
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Post by Dalton on Apr 23, 2004 13:14:11 GMT -5
Spike tells Willow he's 126. But in "School Hard", Giles says he's "barely two hundred", which he says is still quite young for a vampire (he also said Angel was young in "Angel", at an age of 240). Actually, we now know from several references that the Council's records are not always accurate. If it's the Council's record vs. Spike's word, I'll take Spike's word.
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